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Avalon
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jl53563
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I thought pork was the other white meat.  |
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Avalon
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| Quote: | They found that we are the only primates whose bodies do not produce Neu5Gc - although further research established that our Neanderthal cousins were missing this version of the sugar acid, too.
Instead, human (and Neanderthal) cells bristle with a sugar called Neu5Ac. The two molecules are identical, apart from one little detail: the ape molecule has a single extra oxygen atom. Because of the many different jobs this sugar does throughout the body, this one atom was the first example found of a fundamental genetic and biochemical difference between humans and our closest relatives.
Profs Muchmore and Varki then found out why this oxygen atom is missing: our molecule is the precursor of the animal version. Unlike chimpanzees and other great apes, humans lack a particular version of an enzyme that converts Neu5Ac (or, to give it its full name, N-acetylneuraminic acid) into Neu5Gc. This tiny change could potentially explain some of the more unusual differences between humans and apes.
Chimpanzees do not seem to suffer from heart disease, cancers, rheumatoid arthritis or bronchial asthma - common conditions in humans. Nor do they get sick from the human malaria parasite, which uses sialic acid to latch on to our blood cells.
In recent studies, Prof Varki's team has found tantalising evidence that this mysterious molecule could be exerting a wider effect on our health, through the substances we eat.
After testing a range of foods, they found the highest levels of Neu5Gc in red meat: up to 11,600 micrograms could be absorbed from the recommended daily serving of beef, 5,100 from pork and 4,900 from lamb. The level in goat's cheese was 5,500, but fell to around 700 in milk and salmon. Cod, tuna, turkey and duck were in the twenties. |
When I first heard of Neu5Gc I was intrigued and a little spooked. I'm even more so now. I don't know if we are meant to be Vegans, Omnivores or Carnivores, but even if we are true Carnies- how do you know it's Red Meat we can eat? We can get sick from eating lots of things some times quickly, or over time, like smoking.
Either way it's interesting stuff. OMG! SALMON!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! 
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adwred
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| jl53563 wrote: | | I thought pork was the other white meat. |
The Okinawans eat pork almost exclusively as their meat... not seafood, for example, as the fish and seafood around the island is apparently sort of flavourless. And they seem to do quite well on it. They also have a really happy outlook on life and don't overdo anything, which can also have an effect on health and longevity! I think if it makes you happy, makes you feel healthy, etc. then it's probably good for you.  If you thrive on it, then eat it! Plus you'll have the advantage of enjoying your days on this planet, rather than suffering through life in the interest of making it longer.
As discussed in Good Calories Bad Calories, it's simply impossible to pin down dietary trends and the cause of disease, because you can't eliminate certain foods or macronutrients without adding others or affecting the caloric intake, all of which can also have an effect on the results. How do we know the nutrient added isn't the factor that made the change, not the nutrient taken away? That sort of thing. Correlation is not causation. They even address this in the first video that Avalon posted.
My only suggestion to anyone (aside from keeping as failsafe as you can stand ) is to eat as closely to your natural ethnic diet as possible and don't eat anything with an ingredient list.
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Avalon
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| Quote: | | The Okinawans eat pork almost exclusively as their meat... not seafood, for example, as the fish and seafood around the island is apparently sort of flavourless. And they seem to do quite well on it. |
Red, there's so much more going on. Where did you read- 'not' seafood, I'd like to know. Also the meat to veg ratio is very small and their diet is a Calorie restricted diet compared to our gluttonous ways.
| Quote: | | As discussed in Good Calories Bad Calories, it's simply impossible to pin down dietary trends and the cause of disease, because you can't eliminate certain foods or macronutrients without adding others or affecting the caloric intake, all of which can also have an effect on the results. How do we know the nutrient added isn't the factor that made the change, not the nutrient taken away? That sort of thing. Correlation is not causation. They even address this in the first video that Avalon posted. |
Isn't Failsafe very much about eliminating or not, certain food groups that affect well being? It's trial and error or, learning from example and trial and error. What? We don't try then? And everyday our technology is zooming so fast we can hardly keep up. We've only known about Neu5Gc for a few years. Who knows what we will learn next.
| Quote: | | My only suggestion to anyone (aside from keeping as failsafe as you can stand Happy ) is to eat as closely to your natural ethnic diet as possible and don't eat anything with an ingredient list. |
Does that ingredient include Neu5Gc? Because like it or not, it's a molecule that is not Human and is finding its way into cancerous turmors. My personal belief is Neu5Gc is FREAKY! It may ultimatley mean nothing, but there's a lot of evidence building, suggesting less red meat the better sallimsayin'.
It may be wise as you say to live well today. But it's also wise to learn as we live, yes?
I think it's important (whether this news proves to be true or flat out wrong at some point) to listen and weigh the information as it comes in. Isn't that what everyone here has done? Learn and learn, then make the decision to leave SAD or to try Zero carb, or One Meal a Day, or the many things people have tried here- while learning new information.
Best wishes,
Avalon
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