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KCE
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Hi! I'm new here and been lurking around. I've recently switched to this way-of-life mainly to solve my acne problem and now for my health. I've read so much on diets and nutrition and eventually I've come to this conclusion, but no matter what I try to look at all sides and keep an open mind.
In spite of the bad things about carbs, I'm wondering - is there any good things about carbohydrates? or any times it's useful or advantageous? If carbs were really bad for us, we wouldn't have the ability to process it or it would kill us quickly (I know you're thinking it just kills slowly). The carbs I have more in mind are fruits and natural carbohydrates, or even others.
Fat and protein still elicit some insulin response, of course just not as much as carbohydrates. I guess I could also rephrase it as can insulin be advantageous?
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In times where meat wasn't available or perhaps before the winter season, fruits/nuts/veggies helped us survive or put on a little fat for better protection. We don't face that problem today and the fruits/nuts/veggies available today are certainly very different from their wild counterparts, in nutrition and sugar.
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Good Morning KCE!
If your acne is still an issue you might want to explore The Wai Diet. I'm a fan of the Free Acne Book. I do feel one of the co-creators of the diet is a bit of a tyrant, but still I think there is plenty of value there. I disagree with some of their thoughts, but it seems many have been helped for many things.
http://www.freeacnebook.com/contents.htm
Keeping an open mind is a good thing. It's a big world with more paths than one can count.
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| Quote: | | In times where meat wasn't available or perhaps before the winter season, fruits/nuts/veggies helped us survive or put on a little fat for better protection. We don't face that problem today and the fruits/nuts/veggies available today are certainly very different from their wild counterparts, in nutrition and sugar. |
In the same vein,  meat is quite different today as well.
Anyone watch Survivor Man?
http://www.survivorman.ca/
I think we pretty much ate whatever we could digest and not die from. Fruits, tubers, snails, insects, small animals, fish etc..
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adwred
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I love survivorman!!!!
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I can't stop thinking about snails! since watching him eat snails! I've never had snails and would try them if had the chance. I'm a firm believer in trying things  once |
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I think that a long time ago the ability to put on fat, for future famine, was a good thing.
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| Is KCE an IronMan fan per chance? I am so looking forward to the New Movie coming out soon! |
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Kristi31
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Tubers have to be cooked so only eaten after fire was used for cooking...only after about 500K yrs ago or perhaps even later...
I never heard of survivorman and I have the channel...OMG! definetly watching it tonight...it's the one where he's in the Amazon forest. Sounds really wicked. Can't wait.
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KCE
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Yup that's Iron Man; can't wait for it either. Hopefully it's not a bust like the other comic-based movies...
For now I'll just refrain from eating carbs or just eat a tiny amount. 
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From a bodybuilder perspective, an insulin spike is useful for increasing protein synthesis and decreasing SHBG.
But after repeated insulin spikes, you'll develop insulin resistance, which will actually decrease total and free T and stunt muscle protein synthesis. So even this possible beneficial mechanism isn't effective for very long.
And this is not taking into consideration the overall negative health effects of excessive insulin levels. Once those are factored in, nothing seems to redeem excess insulin. |
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| Avalon wrote: | | Keeping an open mind is a good thing. It's a big world with more paths than one can count. |
Yes, but too often "keeping an open mind" is a synonym for eliminating reason, logic and empirical evidence in favor of conforming to some prefabricated ideal of relativism and equality where none is deserved.
"Keeping an open mind" is only a positive thing when it means remaining objective and assessing a perspective or argument based on its validity and its soundness/cogency, as well as internal consistency and coherency.
| Quote: | Kristi wrote:
| Quote: | | In times where meat wasn't available or perhaps before the winter season, fruits/nuts/veggies helped us survive or put on a little fat for better protection. We don't face that problem today and the fruits/nuts/veggies available today are certainly very different from their wild counterparts, in nutrition and sugar. |
In the same vein, meat is quite different today as well. |
True, but the difference between even feedlot beef and paleolithic animals is relatively small compared to the difference between a modern strawberry and a wild berry, or a modern apple and a wild crab apple, for example. Agriculture may have domesticated animals, but it has not radically changed their tissues to the same degree that it has pumped up and altered its fruits and veggies.
| Quote: | Anyone watch Survivor Man?
http://www.survivorman.ca/
I think we pretty much ate whatever we could digest and not die from. Fruits, tubers, snails, insects, small animals, fish etc.. |
Using modern survivalists as an example of wild eating overlooks the fact that we are currently living in an interglacial period, where the global climate is more favorable to the growth of vegetation than it was ~40,000 years ago, and the megafauna that our ancestors hunted are either domesticated (not to be found in the wild) or extinct. Today, the mammoth are long gone and the wilderness contains more edible plants throughout a longer growing season than it used to (as edible as plant fooder can get, anyway).
Actually, we would be overdue for a return to another Pleistocene ice age, but the development of agriculture ~10,000 years ago stunted the global cooling, and now industrialization has reversed it completely.
That aside, Survivorman is an awesome show. I've only seen it once or twice, since I hardly ever watch tv, but from what I watched it was cool.
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