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copychick · Carnivore King Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 948

i've gotten tremendous benefit from red's input and resources on plant chemicals.

but even if you don't look at any research, it is common knowledge that plants defend themselves via inherent poisons that are toxic to the things that try to eat them. just because a plant poison doesn't give you an obvious rash or cause prompt death like some do, it doesn't mean it is not having a more subtle but harmful effect.

SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

Thanks again all, I am really glad you all have been able to find that your aspirin allergy is the culprit for many of your health issues, nice to hear you cured yourselves.

As for me for the time being am going to continue having my peppermint tea and strawberries with cream - what can I say, as Meg put it earlier, if she’s GOT to have her coffee, I WANT to have my strawberries and peppermint tea (as well as dairy Laugh

). Hope you understand and accept our difference in opinion.

btw: I also found out that red meat flares my skin, any ideas? it can't be aspirin? what could it be with red meat that causing my skin to flare? and yes, mostly I was eating organic grass fed red meat.

adwred · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject:

Are you for real?
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SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

adwred · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject:

I say 'are you for real' because first you condescend about our 'aspirin allergy' and continually belittle us for believing that yes, vegetables and fruit might be harmful... say you're unwilling to ever give up strawberries and peppermint tea and then proceed go on to ask for our help about your skin flare ups?? You do realize that skin flare ups of pretty much every kind are caused by food chemicals? So is bitchiness, which makes you an ideal candidate for food chemical intolerance. Roll Eyes

OK, Sandy, I'm going to try to ignore how nasty YOU have been and help you here.

You cannot determine food sensitivities without doing an elimination diet. This is all laid out in the links I've provided, by the way. There is no possible way to say that 'red meat gives you skin flare ups' without doing a proper elimination diet, which you refuse to do.

So sorry, but until you're willing to open your mind, we can't help you here.

By mate. Wave

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ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

I'm just going to say that you can deny food chemicals all you want but you can't know until you try. It's very easy to dismiss because you don't want to put the effort into it, I did it for long enough. You can also pretend it's something else all you want to people who don't know a thing about food chemicals, but it's like someone living on potatoes, bread, noodles and burger king saying "It's these damned fries. I know I'd be find if I just ate chicken sandwiches and stuck to low fat sauce for the noodles, but it's the deep fried food making me fat." There is more to it than that.
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Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

Sandy- it's unfortunate that you've taken this attitude toward red. She, more than anyone here, has gone out of her way to help and support people in so many ways. There are more than just a handful of us here who have benefitted from awareness of food chemical sensitivities, and it is not just our opinion that such things affect our bodies.

adwred · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

The sad thing is that no one benefits from these food chemicals, despite popular belief to the contrary. The fact that we are having reactions and others aren't means that we are just more sensitive to the harm that's being done because our bodies can't detoxify these compounds as easily, for genetic reasons. But the fact that these compounds have to be detoxified is a huge indication that limiting them is a good idea. It's not like salicylates are good for some and bad for others. Our bodies just happen to shout more loudly.
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Paul · Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: toxins in body fat

Hello,

I wanted to comment on an earlier post about toxins in fat tissue. A few years ago, I read one of Roy Walford's books - he was one of the major proponents of caloric restriction for longevity, and was the physician member of the Biosphere 2 project. Due to complications that I don't remember, the Biosphere inhabitants were unable to produce as much food as planned, so they lived for a long period on a semi-starvation diet.

Walford carefully monitored and tested himself and his colleges during their entire stay inside the Biosphere, and noted a sharp rise in levels of pesticides and other toxic substances in their blood as they lost weight. For most of our lives, our bodies have expediently stored difficult-to-process toxins in our fat cells, to safely store them, but as fat melts off, quite large doses of these substances can get dumped back into our blood quite quickly.

Walford was an advocate of losing weight very slowly - I believe he recommended about a pound per week - to avoid sudden surges of these stored toxins and to give the body time to deal with them.

I often think about this when I read of people losing tens or even hundreds of pounds very rapidly. I wonder if some of the complications, plateaus, etc. that people experience may be at least partly due to unexpected doses of some fairly nasty chemicals.

I couldn't find a good article about this, but here's one that at least addresses the issue:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_3_166/ai_n6144024

- Paul

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

Thanks, Paul. I find it especially interesting since I'm in the 100+ (lost)club.

Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Yes, something I never thought about. I must be pretty freak'n polluted!