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Viking Dan · Carnivore King Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 551

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/27/12/2990/T1

Although this study shows fasting glucose was pretty much the same with coffee, fasting insulin was almost 25% higher. Yikes!

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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Give it up VD!

As with anything meant to hook us by the money grubbing nasty busy buddies, give it up and in time you'll be free of the bean! Nasty nasty beans! You can do it! I did! Look at me hee hee! Dunno

jl53563 · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:

But on a VLC diet, fasting insulin should be very low. So a 25% increase of a very low number could still be a very low number. Sometimes using percentages can be misleading.

And as with many other things, the rules sometimes change for those on a VLC diet. Our bodies just work differnently. Don't be too quick to give up the bean! Look what it's done for Ava. Laugh

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ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

and I'd rather have coffee
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jl53563 · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject:

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barb0324 · Guest

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/20...rinking_women/UPI-51291213684618/

Grin

SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

For just over a month now I have given up caffeine and diet sodas Grin

very proud of myself, not cuz am worried about the insulin its more to do with doing a proper detox, only I am having a decaf coffee (an excuse to put take in my cream really) anyone knows if decaf coffee has same level of toxins etc? I am trying to do a proper detox, so even stopped having decaf tea, I just have herbal (e.g. peppermint) and water. But do love my Tall decaf hot decaf coffee with lots of cream in it.
Oh I read somewhere about dandilion coffe, its just a dark drink, doesn't taste like Coffe, but I suppose I can get used to it if decaff coffee is considered as toxin for the body?

SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

did I sound a bit smug Grin

jl53563 · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:28 am Post subject:

Don't be so quick to give up the Java!!!

jl53563 · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:30 am Post subject:

Sorry Barb......looks like we're citing the same study.

adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject:

Not to be a broken record, but the peppermint tea would be more of a toxin than the coffee. It just has more powerful natural toxins in it. Peppermint is pure salicylate. I'd switch to chamomile, if you're interested in reducing the toxins. I've always been suspicious of decaf coffee because I've heard of them using formaldehyde in the decaffeinating process, but if you do well on it, then I wouldn't worry too much about it, especially if it's just one cup.
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barb0324 · Guest

Jeff, I don't think this one can be quoted enough! Yup

(I'm on my third-quadruple-cup-of-Espresso with lotsa cream - YUM) Grin

SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject:

Yes a lot of doctors think aspirin is harmless or even beneficial. That's a very common attitude. Aspirin needs to be detoxed to be processed through the body, whether you're allergic or not. Some people are more sensitive to it than others, but aspirin is most definitely a toxin. It can just have short term anti-inflammatory and analgesic effects, which is why people believe it to be good. But the human body has a limited tolerance for it. That's why it exists in plants - as a natural pesticide.
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Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

Sandy, what is this book?

SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

Its called 'Persistent Fat and How to Lose it'

Its an old book published in the eighties, DH got it from a second hand book sale - he got it for his own research but thought I may be interested in it Roll Eyes

but I think his intentions were good, he just knows how much reading I do about such subjects Laugh

http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/goddin/010570.shtml

SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

Red, thanks, do you have a reference to any publications/research on the aspirin allergy thing? it would be good to show to my DH.

adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:

There's actually a whole thread dedicated to it in the Research and Resources forum, called 'Failsafe Resource Thread'.
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SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

thanks Red, but was hoping for a more scientific publications, can't see my DH getting convinced with stuff put on a web site called plants are poison and rotton Laugh

adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject:

Have you even looked at the site? Not to mention, there are other resources listed there.
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ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

you can lead a horse to water... but they're usually illiterate. or something of that nature
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adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject:

Nice to know that I put all that time into creating such a detailed thread (with references!) for nothing.
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ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

Not for nothing! Unless my saving my sons lives, my life, and our family is nothing. And Carnation's debilitating pain was nothing. And all of the people who dismiss me as insane, er I mean help by passing the information on to as well.....
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SandyDown · Top Cat Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 257

i did look at it Red a while ago not recently, and thanks again gor compiling the information, I am and others are grateful am sure, only as I explained, the problem is not with you or the site, its DH, he is stubborn like that, and I know he wont look at any site like that... as I said he's been treating patients with salicylate allergy for years, but he doesn't agree everyone is affected by them.. guess we need accept other's opinions sometimes without taking it personally.

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

I don't need any stinking research (I guess I'm with bear and his black box theory on this one). My own experience was enough to erase any doubt I had that such a thing exists. It was very hard to give up spices and my lemon lotion, but it has made all the difference in my life, no more cramps, no more stiffness in my hands. Thanks again, red.

adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject:

The site (which by the way its not called 'plants are poison and rotton (sic)', but 'Plant poisons and rotten stuff', which is in reference to the natural toxins in plants (plant poisons) and in aged foods (rotten stuff).

But if you bothered to actually look at the site (not to mention the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital Allergy Unit site, which is affiliated with the leading university in allergy research and the 'Fed Up with Food Additives' site, which has thousands of both scientific and anecdotal references - which are both referenced in the thread, among many others), you'd see it's plenty scientific. And her blog, which is linked to her site references, literally, hundreds of scientific studies.
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adwred · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

Thank you, C. and Reddy. And don't worry, I'll never give up nagging about Failsafe, no matter how hard it is to convince people. It's way too important. And C. I'm with you - I don't need any studies anymore, either, after experiencing what I have. It helped in the beginning, but now I'm so sold on it from experience, that I don't care if they came out with a study saying aspirin caused acute supermodel-itis.
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Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

First laugh all day, thank you. Acute supermodel-itis!