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BlackLabelSimian
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | If a stressor is not something that places undue stress on your body, it's not necessarily unhealthy. If someone sedentary goes out and tries to do some sprints and throw a frisbee around they're likely to get hurt. If someone conditioned to the activity does the same thing, even daily.. that isn't considered an unhealthy amount of activity, it's simply physical maintenance. I think training daily with heavy weights to failure is a sure way to get hurt, but an intense 4 minute bodyweight workout is a nice maintenance activity. As it is there were 5 days between the first and 2nd time I did this, hopefully I can decrease it for the 3rd and 4th! |
I'm pretty much in agreement that if you're not going balls to the wall every day you can actually train every day if you so desire. Lately I have been doing pretty close to that and feel good. Some days I really push it hard and others I scale back a bit, but I'm doing something.
It's like Steve Justa says...
Small increments add up to big ones fast and you should feel better after working out, not worse.
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Carne Vorare
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: |
Again, don't worry about swings making your legs big. You won't want attention getting thighs? It is such a pleasure to walk around here and look at the shapely thighs and asses of men! I don't think men realize how much of an impact a well shaped lower body can have, especially with some well cut, well fitting pants to show it off. (yay for Euro men wearing tighter pants) Those saggy baggy jeans are an abomination. |
[laugh] my sister says the same thing
oh dun worry, when shorter pants were the norm and muah waz a WHOLELOTtm trimmer, id get looks from both sexes coming down stairs and escalators..
so theyre probably "just enuff".
sides, since im possibly fated to remain bachelor for life, my goals r geared toward function first + looks second. it has been pointed out that for a fighting man, legs should be hard + functional rather than shapely and stuff cuz they kind of get in the way..and chafe
its the whole, Grecian Ideal vs. Another Grecian Ideal thing.
mebbe a post on it sumtime, e'en 
and things change, y'know?
once i wanted a chest as large az Britney's.
i still think hers is hot, but my goals have changed... |
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Johnny Ace
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| Carne Vorare wrote: | and things change, y'know?
once i wanted a chest as large az Britney's.
i still think hers is hot, but my goals have changed... |
...as Britney has turned out crazier than a shithouse rat.
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Carne Vorare
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| Johnny Ace wrote: | | Carne Vorare wrote: | and things change, y'know?
once i wanted a chest as large az Britney's.
i still think hers is hot, but my goals have changed... |
...as Britney has turned out crazier than a shithouse rat. |
[grins] well yea but dats not why ah didnt want dat chest 
sounding a lil' dissappointed there, buddy. mebbe..she just ended up w/da wrong guy, huh  |
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ReddyMcMeaty
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Carne Vorare wrote: | [
sides, since im possibly fated to remain bachelor for life, my goals r geared toward function first + looks second. |
Look around, you'll see a high percentage of hot women with um.. not so attractive men. If a woman likes you your body is not going to stop her from getting together with you (unless you're morbidly obese, and sometimes even then!). Looks are just park of the package, a perk, not the make or break part of it. I think esp. young men men think they need to look so great because they would not consider being with a woman they found physically unattractive, and imagine women are the same way.
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Carne Vorare
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | Carne Vorare wrote: | [
sides, since im possibly fated to remain bachelor for life, my goals r geared toward function first + looks second. |
Look around, you'll see a high percentage of hot women with um.. not so attractive men. If a woman likes you your body is not going to stop her from getting together with you (unless you're morbidly obese, and sometimes even then!). Looks are just park of the package, a perk, not the make or break part of it. I think esp. young men men think they need to look so great because they would not consider being with a woman they found physically unattractive, and imagine women are the same way. |
dunno, Mc. theres couple of issues with that whole dating thing..
first off u know theres two extreme kind of guys rite. a bell curve, if u will.
the er casanovas and the err not-casanovas. well, im in the second category. personality wise. and to be honest many of us guys consider a woman going after a handsome guy normal..like u said, we do it too
most of the time.
but what really bites is the fact that a percentage *some say its high, some low* of women like men with money. in the old days a guy needed strength, nowadays its mostly finances.
exceptions do exist, of course.
so being the quite insanely "true to myself" kinda guy, very rarely have i even attempted to mold myself to suit anyone else's expectations. figure, the only way i'd get a date wud be to sneak into the feline section of a national zoo when no-one's watching. seriously. *i mean, not seriously but u know what i mean*
sides, there have been times i was with someone i genuinely liked but since my true forte doesnt lie in reacting to positive female body language..there have been some pretty good opportunities passed by to really get to know someone.
so i spend time *used to, before almost gettin crippled* liftin' lots of iron. and it helps. fills in the gaps left by companionship somewhat, and even gets me looks on occasion cuz when ur arms r popping out and ur lifts look brutal e'en to untrained eyes..it tends to get sum admiration.
sides' like i said...more likely to win a no-holds barred ticket to Stallone's private gym than to actually say or do the right thing @ the right time, with the right gurl. |
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BlackLabelSimian
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | but what really bites is the fact that a percentage *some say its high, some low* of women like men with money. in the old days a guy needed strength, nowadays its mostly finances. |
Yep...Money is the new strength, indeed.
As far as good looking women with less than attractive men, a friend of mine put it something like this...
You need to be extremely rich, extremely good looking or extremely funny to land a great looking woman. If you're just an average guy with none of the above and average looks your odds drop considerably.
I can't say he doesn't have a pretty valid point in a lot of ways. There are exceptions, of course. But in my experience I can't say his assessment is really way off.
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ReddyMcMeaty
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Back on topic.. I did my 3rd workout yesterday. I was still a little tired from the one 2 days before, but then I was also tired from the 500 nightwakings from my 8 month old  Today my legs were feeling it on the bikeride, but hopefully will do it again tomorrow. Every other day, or even skipping 2 days is good for now.
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adwred
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| BlackLabelSimian wrote: |
As far as good looking women with less than attractive men, a friend of mine put it something like this...
You need to be extremely rich, extremely good looking or extremely funny to land a great looking woman. If you're just an average guy with none of the above and average looks your odds drop considerably.
I can't say he doesn't have a pretty valid point in a lot of ways. There are exceptions, of course. But in my experience I can't say his assessment is really way off. |
Back off topic...
Unfortunately, for women, being extremely funny doesn't go very far. You have to be a 'great looking' woman, as Simian put it, or you have to be rich. The sword cuts both ways. So the odds are even worse for an 'average' jane, unless she's particularly aggressive with men.
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diana76
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| adwred wrote: | | BlackLabelSimian wrote: |
As far as good looking women with less than attractive men, a friend of mine put it something like this...
You need to be extremely rich, extremely good looking or extremely funny to land a great looking woman. If you're just an average guy with none of the above and average looks your odds drop considerably.
I can't say he doesn't have a pretty valid point in a lot of ways. There are exceptions, of course. But in my experience I can't say his assessment is really way off. |
Back off topic...
Unfortunately, for women, being extremely funny doesn't go very far. You have to be a 'great looking' woman, as Simian put it, or you have to be rich. The sword cuts both ways. So the odds are even worse for an 'average' jane, unless she's particularly aggressive with men. |
I second that red!!!!!  |
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Carne Vorare
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| BlackLabelSimian wrote: | | Quote: | | but what really bites is the fact that a percentage *some say its high, some low* of women like men with money. in the old days a guy needed strength, nowadays its mostly finances. |
Yep...Money is the new strength, indeed.
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quite a way of putting it, my friend.
gotta clarify that statement; as long as civilization has existed, women *and oftentimes they are pressured by family* have been drawn to something other than purely physical attributes. from a genetic / impassionate point of view, i can understand why this could be important to ensure the survival and thriving of their young.
but from a personal, emotionally vibrant point of view it really stings inside  |
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Carne Vorare
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| adwred wrote: | | BlackLabelSimian wrote: |
As far as good looking women with less than attractive men, a friend of mine put it something like this...
You need to be extremely rich, extremely good looking or extremely funny to land a great looking woman. If you're just an average guy with none of the above and average looks your odds drop considerably.
I can't say he doesn't have a pretty valid point in a lot of ways. There are exceptions, of course. But in my experience I can't say his assessment is really way off. |
Back off topic...
Unfortunately, for women, being extremely funny doesn't go very far. You have to be a 'great looking' woman, as Simian put it, or you have to be rich. The sword cuts both ways. So the odds are even worse for an 'average' jane, unless she's particularly aggressive with men. |
i dunno, Red. my experience 'average' janes seem to do better than 'average' joes. in the sense society still expects guys to make the first move, etc.
still, mebbe we should consider opening a different post to discuss this, cuz its one of the "till the cows come home topic" 
ps. sum great looking women have awful personalities.
theyre only good for dance videos, imvho |
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Carne Vorare
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'sides, i notice many on here do have relationships that theyre proud of and
...theres nothing wrong w/dat. sum ppl simply cannot stand continously trying things out that theyre really, really bad at.
u know, why do something that makes u feel like a loser?
when u cud be doing something that ur so darn good @, kick a$$ while our at it, and maybe do sum good in the process..
makes sense when u really sit down to think bout it. |
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BlackLabelSimian
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| Quote: | | mebbe we should consider opening a different post to discuss this, cuz its one of the "till the cows come home topic" |
Or we can just say "fuck it" and drop it now since nothing ever seems to get resolved with these kinds of topics.
Don't mind me...I'm just trying to cut to the chase. 
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adwred
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Well, I have asked out every man I've ever been with. I've been asked out by men, of course, but never by ones I particularly liked. If I relied on my looks, alone, to get me dates, I'd still be a virginal wonder. Every relationship I've ever had has been started by yours truly.
I'd say one of the most unattractive things in the world is feeling sorry for yourself or feeling like a victim of society, anyway.
And yes, let's move back to the original topic. If Meg hasn't been turned off of posting in this thread completely, that is.
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diana76
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | Back on topic.. I did my 3rd workout yesterday. I was still a little tired from the one 2 days before, but then I was also tired from the 500 nightwakings from my 8 month old Today my legs were feeling it on the bikeride, but hopefully will do it again tomorrow. Every other day, or even skipping 2 days is good for now. |
meg,
my son still wakes me alot at night too and he is 3..UGH!! so ya some days im pretty wiped but i have to kick it in the butt and start exercising regular. Any suggestions for this tired mom would b appreciated too. i was thinking bicycle and treadmill at first for a while. what do u think? i need to start building up my endurance and not sure where to begin. |
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ReddyMcMeaty
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my 8 month old has been letting me sleep about 10 minutes every hour, for the last .. I don't even know how long. He's growing like a weed, teething, and wants to walk but can't. Today I've hit the point of "I can't do it, and I don't care." I remember feeling exactly this way with PPD after baby1.
Aaaaaanyway....... honestly as a tip, just do the 4 minutes of bodyweight squats to get started. Are you a stay at home mom or work out of home? Getting outside and walking/biking isn't' a prob for me since I have to take the boys out to parks daily, and for my daily errands I walk or bike with them. The prob is that I'm frequently so worn out that my body can't take 45 mins of heavy workouts. But I can do 4 minutes... and without needing time away from the boys, which is something I just don't get.
I'd recommend doing the 4 mins, if you're daunted by it then hold onto a chair or couch for support. Then just make it a mission to get outside with the boy every day. Walk with him ...everywhere. To parks, in town, in the malls, whatever. Not because walking will turn you into a fitness queen, but because the body thrives on activity.
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ReddyMcMeaty
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| adwred wrote: | Well, I have asked out every man I've ever been with. I've been asked out by men, of course, but never by ones I particularly liked. If I relied on my looks, alone, to get me dates, I'd still be a virginal wonder. Every relationship I've ever had has been started by yours truly.
I'd say one of the most unattractive things in the world is feeling sorry for yourself or feeling like a victim of society, anyway.
And yes, let's move back to the original topic. If Meg hasn't been turned off of posting in this thread completely, that is. |
This thread is starting to stink of......
What is Misogyny?
by Jim
A year ago when I first stumbled onto the Heartless Bitches web site, I didn’t really know what misogyny was, although I thought I did. Misogyny, as defined in my dictionary, is "the hatred of women," which seems simple enough, but what was not clear to me was why certain behaviors or characteristics were being defined as related to misogyny. For example, why is objectifying women’s bodies considered misogynistic? Why are "nice guys" described on this site labeled misogynists? "Hate" implies scorn, hostility or animosity. Although I understood that objectifying women is wrong, it seemed like "hate" was too strong a word here, after all, many guys claim to "love" or "appreciate" women. The "love" they claim to have seemed faked, but it is still a far cry from "hate."
I started to do more research on this, and came across some interesting ideas. One particularly valuable resource was a book called "The Centerfold Syndrome," by Gary Brooks. The author states that while objectification "calls for men to become observers, it also calls for women to become the observed. Women become objects as men become objectifiers." He goes on to explain that women are expected to accept the role of stimulators of men’s visual interest. This visual interest focuses on a two dimensional view of women, one that values the physical characteristics of women while ignoring personal character or any of the inner complexities that are inherent in human beings. When I understood this, I realized that when I hear someone claim how much they "love" women, they are really talking about love for a two dimensional view of women and the women who pursue that ideal. They are not talking about women as they really are.
This all made a lot of sense, but I still had not made the connection to the word "hate." Eventually I made the connection when I found this website. The author summed up his reason for creating the site and his dislike of women in one simple sentence: "I hate women because I want their attention and they won’t give me any." So what a misogynist truly loves is the shallow image of women that exists only in one’s mind and is illustrated in society in such things as pornography or mainstream media that espouses that ideal. The hatred is directed at real women, for not living up to a misogynist’s expectations of women being easy to control and for not providing adequate stimulation for men’s interest.
Once I figured this out, many things about misogyny became clear. A misogynistic value system would favor women who put out and are easy to control. Misogynists would talk about women in a dehumanized way, i.e., nice legs, great ass, etc, as if women were nothing more than a collection of body parts. Dating and relationships would become a game of manipulation fraught with various seedy techniques and ploys designed to get women to have sex. Something else I noticed as I browsed the web is that although misogynists try to control women, they are ironically dependent on women for validation in front of other men and society. This dependence is disempowering and only adds to the anger and resentment misogynists feel towards women.
But why are "nice guys" misogynists? In the book "The Gift of Fear," Gavin DeBecker defines "niceness" as a "strategy of social interaction" and not evidence of innate goodness. So what he is saying is that being "nice" merely means your behavior is not offensive but does not mean your motives are automatically pure or good. Being a "nice guy" has been discussed elsewhere so there is no need to go into great detail here, but the bottom line is that trying to "be nice" or to use one’s social charm to achieve one’s social or sexual objectives is just as manipulative as anything else. The details are different, but what is at the core is the same.
It should also be pointed out that in addition to hurting women, misogyny also hurts men. By objectifying women, men are also objectifying themselves. Dating and sex becomes a contest as misogynists try to achieve high degrees of "success" with women, with success being defined as receiving attention from the most desirable women. Emotions are repressed, personal growth is stunted and true intimacy becomes impossible.
Although at this time I had answered my original questions, I had raised many more questions and problems in the process. First and foremost, I began to reflect on things I have said or done in the past, and I realized that some of it I am now not too proud of. In a lot of ways I had bought into the lies that misogyny teaches, and this has led me to make bad decisions or to say or do foolish things. I am pretty annoyed at myself for this, but I cannot change the past. What I can do is learn from it and be glad I figured it out when I am young. I can try to share what I have learned with others who are facing the same thing, which is what I am doing now. And I can also strive to form healthier relationships with women in the future. But how? Unfortunately in my pursuit of understanding misogyny I have had to scuttle much of what I know about building relationships with women because I realized that much of it was based on something that is simply wrong. Which brings up the next question: what is right? This is something I have not finished thinking through, so I will not address that here. What I do know, however, is that by being sincere and thoughtful, and by understanding my own self worth and the value of the people around me, I will build stronger relationships with others and have a more meaningful life. And I have to believe that a relationship with a woman can be built on that much more soundly than one built on misogyny.
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If a man can't "land" a beautiful women I can't say that I feel all that sorry for him. If a man is too socially inept to interact with normal attractive women and too lazy to work on how to do it (what??? I'm supposed to interact with her and actually contribute something?) then of course he is not going to have a girlfriend. We're fucking social creatures, all of us, not inanimate possessions. The percentage of women who are looking for cash is not that high... unless you look in impoverished areas, or in countries where the living situation for women is so desperate that they will take any way out. Why would you want a women, regardless of looks, who is interested in your money instead of you anyway? The percentage of women who are looking for a big old man baby for them to look after, not communicate with, look beautiful for, provide their body to on a sexual level and for parading in front of their friends as an ego boost but not get anything in return for is really pretty low as well. Have your own interests. Look after yourself. Communicate. Try not to be an absolute selfish pig in bed. That is if you want a girlfriend, not a trophy who isn't interested in you.
As for the whole evolutionary needing security.. yeah we do. If a woman is going to put herself in the vulnerable position of having children, the man she is going to do it with had better be enough of a man to help out in whatever way they decide.... she needs an ADULT partner, not another child hanging around.
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diana76
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | my 8 month old has been letting me sleep about 10 minutes every hour, for the last .. I don't even know how long. He's growing like a weed, teething, and wants to walk but can't. Today I've hit the point of "I can't do it, and I don't care." I remember feeling exactly this way with PPD after baby1.
Aaaaaanyway....... honestly as a tip, just do the 4 minutes of bodyweight squats to get started. Are you a stay at home mom or work out of home? Getting outside and walking/biking isn't' a prob for me since I have to take the boys out to parks daily, and for my daily errands I walk or bike with them. The prob is that I'm frequently so worn out that my body can't take 45 mins of heavy workouts. But I can do 4 minutes... and without needing time away from the boys, which is something I just don't get.
I'd recommend doing the 4 mins, if you're daunted by it then hold onto a chair or couch for support. Then just make it a mission to get outside with the boy every day. Walk with him ...everywhere. To parks, in town, in the malls, whatever. Not because walking will turn you into a fitness queen, but because the body thrives on activity. |
i work at home actually so we r here alot. i think that going to the parks and stuff sounds like a great idea. as soon as the weather gets a little better i love being outside. i am working on starting to homeschool my other 2 boys this next school year which is gonna b very interesting to say the least.LOL Girl, i like u never get away from my children i understand ur frustration completely. my youngest is in my bed as we speak. he has had a cold too so he spent the night snoring in my ear. ugh.
its not really advice its more like encouragement but i wanted to tell u that i too breast fed all my boys and i just want u to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and i promise u will get sleep again. my boys r so smart and i know some of that is due to that sacrifice i made to breastfeed them. U r a great mom meg and it is a BIG sacrifice to breastfeed ur kids for all kinds of reasons. i dont need to tell them to u. u know. if u need to someone to vent to that completely understands im here girl. i know what it feels like to just want to lock urself in the bathroom so u can even just pee in peace for " 5 freakin minutes PLEASE!" LOL im here if u need me ok. i just really wanted to say that and thanks for the advice and tips. (out comes the bicycle) |
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BlackLabelSimian
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Bicycle, bicycle...I want to ride my bicycle.
Sorry...Had a Queen flashback there.
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adwred
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| Quote: | | In the book "The Gift of Fear," Gavin DeBecker defines "niceness" as a "strategy of social interaction" and not evidence of innate goodness. So what he is saying is that being "nice" merely means your behavior is not offensive but does not mean your motives are automatically pure or good. |
So true! Great post, Meg. So many men think they're aware of misogyny, but would never dream it applies to them, because they're a 'nice guy'. But attributing blanket qualities to women based on erroneous beliefs about how they generally are only interested in money and security is misogyny. I happen to earn more than my partner, by a long shot. Oh look, another way in which I don't fit the 'profile'...  Shows what bullshit that profile is.
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http://www.fibermenace.com/dis/flora.html
Bacterial functions: Welcomed everywhere but in the West
When babies are born, their digestive organs are sterile. Their large intestines get “cultured” after the first few sips of colostrum, a thin yellowish fluid “infested” with the mother’s bacteria and rich in essential nutrients. Colostrum precedes the flow of fat- and protein-rich breast milk. The process continues with breast milk, and the intestinal flora of newborns matures to “adult” status by the sixth month.
Placing newborns on formula without first letting them taste colostrum and breast milk is a serious mistake. It may hound young parents for years to come as they grapple with their offspring’s food allergies, diarrhea, constipation, and poor general health. But for many breastfed babies, even the breast milk may lack essential bacteria because of their mothers’ prior exposure to environmental pollutants, antibiotics, and mercury in dental amalgams. That’s why nowadays, many newborns develop gastrointestinal and autoimmune disorders as often as their formula-fed brethrens: their mothers suffer from acute disbacteriosis, a change of composition and/or volume of normal intestinal flora. |
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diana76
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| very interesting nicky thanks for sharing that. i had no idea about all of that. all i knew was i loved my babies and i knew that breastfeeding was the best for them and wanting them to have the best start possible that is what i did. no thought went into it. I would still do whatever i needed to make my children b the best they could b. I just know how mentally and physically draining it is to breastfeed and it is a huge sacrifice a mother makes. i think mothers who do need all the support and understanding that they can get from those around them that care about them. thanks again very good post. i love learning new stuff. |
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My mother nursed me until I turned three. She wanted me to wean naturally, like my brother, but there was no sign of me stopping any time soon, so she cut me off on my third birthday and replaced nursing time with 'cuddle time' instead. She wasn't even producing much milk at that point, anyway, I'm sure and it was really the bonding I was after, anyway, I'm sure.
Some of the other mothers in la leche league had kids who were 5 years old and still nursing. Now THAT is dedication. Not sure I could manage that. 
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| adwred wrote: | My mother nursed me until I turned three. She wanted me to wean naturally, like my brother, but there was no sign of me stopping any time soon, so she cut me off on my third birthday and replaced nursing time with 'cuddle time' instead. She wasn't even producing much milk at that point, anyway, I'm sure and it was really the bonding I was after, anyway, I'm sure.
Some of the other mothers in la leche league had kids who were 5 years old and still nursing. Now THAT is dedication. Not sure I could manage that. |
i have a sister that did the same thing with her youngest daughter she was like 4 or 5 when they stopped it was more a security thing at that point but hey she is a very happy and secure child to this day. i used to tease her saying, " u r gonna have to go to the school at lunch and take tana into the bathroom for her lunchtime feeding." she knew i just loved to rib her i thought it was amazing she did it that long. ya i didnt have it in me to go that long so WOW.  |
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| My Mother fed me Soap and Chalk |
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| Avalon wrote: | | My Mother fed me Soap and Chalk |
Blueberry* flavored soap.  |
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| BlackLabelSimian wrote: | | Quote: | | mebbe we should consider opening a different post to discuss this, cuz its one of the "till the cows come home topic" |
Or we can just say "fuck it" and drop it now since nothing ever seems to get resolved with these kinds of topics.
Don't mind me...I'm just trying to cut to the chase. |
lacerated sky, eh?
wish i cud write liek dat. |
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Carne Vorare
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| adwred wrote: | Well, I have asked out every man I've ever been with. I've been asked out by men, of course, but never by ones I particularly liked. If I relied on my looks, alone, to get me dates, I'd still be a virginal wonder. Every relationship I've ever had has been started by yours truly.
I'd say one of the most unattractive things in the world is feeling sorry for yourself or feeling like a victim of society, anyway.
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- well, good thing u have an intense personality!
i dont use the word aggressive in this context as that wud imply something negative.
and it feels good, no? not having to wait for things to happen. to simply say whats on ur mind...
- i totally agree. when u start blaming other people or causes for ur own shortcomings you relinquish responsibility and therefore control over your own life.
which is why i have chosen to brood over such things no more. if it comes across that way it is perhaps the choice of words or subconsciously i havent let go completely yet of old ways.
and sometimes i really do make fun of myself, in a dry sort of way.
closest friends say im a bit difficult to read sumtimes. |
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Carne Vorare
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| Reddy McMeaty wrote: | If a man can't "land" a beautiful women I can't say that I feel all that sorry for him. If a man is too socially inept to interact with normal attractive women and too lazy to work on how to do it (what??? I'm supposed to interact with her and actually contribute something?) then of course he is not going to have a girlfriend. We're fucking social creatures, all of us, not inanimate possessions. The percentage of women who are looking for cash is not that high... unless you look in impoverished areas, or in countries where the living situation for women is so desperate that they will take any way out. Why would you want a women, regardless of looks, who is interested in your money instead of you anyway? The percentage of women who are looking for a big old man baby for them to look after, not communicate with, look beautiful for, provide their body to on a sexual level and for parading in front of their friends as an ego boost but not get anything in return for is really pretty low as well. Have your own interests. Look after yourself. Communicate. Try not to be an absolute selfish pig in bed. That is if you want a girlfriend, not a trophy who isn't interested in you.
As for the whole evolutionary needing security.. yeah we do. If a woman is going to put herself in the vulnerable position of having children, the man she is going to do it with had better be enough of a man to help out in whatever way they decide.... she needs an ADULT partner, not another child hanging around. |
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im not sure whats going on here, but this whole description feels like un-inhibited male bashing.
i did not say MOST or ALL women like money, and even went so far as to say i choose to focus on things that make me happy, that are meaningful to me.
come on, alot of people find it difficult to communicate effectively in today's world. we are separated by an increasing amount of technological advancement, alienated by the "war of the sexes" and constantly bombarded with what can be taken to be demeaning, suggestive, or negative portrayals of both sexes.
if a guy cannot simply voice out his frustration as matter of opinion, then whats the use of speaking honestly? we are so used to the dolled up, politically correct version of what people OUGHT to say, its appalling.
above all, why do you judge me? you dont know me, you dont know where ive been...
a guy can want a trophy. a gurl can want a rich dude. so what??
again, perhaps i read too strongly into ur statements here, or u took things i said personally.
and i can appreciate the fact women are in a vulnerable position when conceiving a child. but has anyone given thought to the crap men go through? some of the guys on here, u know what im talking bout.
not every guy walks out on his responsibilities.
and many of the traits u just mentioned belong to guys i know who fall neatly into the "jerk" category, and not "nice guy" whatever those delieanations are SUPPOSED to mean.
and cuz most guys will not speak up. and maybe i am wrong. maybe i do objectify. maybe i am a "nice guy".
cant really say for sure cuz its hard to form a totally objective opinion of oneself. but the point iz no-one's perfect and to use a blanket like
"all women are snobbish" or "men only want sex" seems kinda judgmental.
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