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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: carnivore smoothie?

Anybody ever think about making a huge raw egg, raw meat, raw liver smoothie? This spring, as I get back to working out on a regular basis again, I thought about having some of these big "carnivorous" smoothies.
I was thinking like 10 to 20 raw egg yokes, a few ounces of raw liver, and any amount of raw meat with plenty of raw tallow added in. All this ground up in a Vitamix and downed in 10 to 15 minutes. I've made these once or twice last summer when I was working out and enjoying the warm weather. What are your thoughts?

Stephen

ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

I dont' think I'd like the taste of liver in there.. I sometimes make (used to make frequently) raw egg and meat smoothies and eat them as a soup.
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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:52 am Post subject:

Yeah most people don't like the taste of liver or raw liver. I used to think I didn't either. I actually like the taste of raw or rare liver over more medium or more cooked liver. The more you cook it the worse it tastes.
But in this smoothie I only put a few ounces in a big smoothie so I don't really taste it.

Stephen

ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

I enjoy liver, but only when having a craving for it. And it's def. better cooked medium.
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Kristi31 · Top Cat Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 378 Location: Montreal

I LOVE it raw. Especially bison liver....YUUUUUUUUMY!
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Puma · Hunter Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 180

I can't stand liver that's been cooked even a little bit, unlike regular beef. Raw is okay though.

Btw, that smoothie does sound nasty, LOL

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

yeah Red I don't eat liver often. It obviously has some carbs so I don't eat it except on occasion. I've been experimenting this winter on no dairy(including butter), very small amounts and rarely liver, and no eggs(in large amounts they have carbs). I eat mainly beef, pork, tallow and lard. I've seen some differences too. Stefanson and his friend did the all meat thing with no dairy or eggs during there all meat year so I thought I'd try it.

Stephen

Kristi31 · Top Cat Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 378 Location: Montreal

I also don't include daily in my diet, very rarely eggs or liver and occasionally a little organ meat (and seafood) as it is very nutritious. Other than that, mostly beef, lamb, fish, tallow and bone marrow. All raw.
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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject:

yeah butter and dairy seem to give me an inflammatory response with my skin. I'm not sure about eggs. Are eggs better than dairy? They don't have the casein or lactose but do have some carbs.

Stephen

Kristi31 · Top Cat Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 378 Location: Montreal

1 egg yolk is about 0.6g carbs. Not much. It depends on if you also eat the white part and how much you eat in a day.
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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:54 am Post subject:

hey where'd you get the 0.6g of carbs per egg? I always thought it was 0.5g per egg which isn't much different but wondering where you got that.

Stephen

adwred · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:13 am Post subject:

Avoiding eggs because of an allergy or sensitivity, I understand, but because of carbs? I think when you're eliminating eggs because of 0.6 g carb, you're kind of losing sight of what the zero-carb diet is all about. Carbs are not the be-all and end-all of health. It's not about 0.6 g of carb, it's about food choices and hormonal response. Eggs are a highly nutritious food with an incredibly low insulin index. Far lower than meat. If we're talking about dietary glucose, a fat-adapted person would have to eat something like 80 eggs in a day, just to meet the minimum amount of glucose in a day that is needed by the body to keep functioning. Remember, the steak you're eating is turned into far more than 0.6 g of glucose through gluconeogenesis.
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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject:

I was just avoiding eggs because that is what Stefanson did during his all meat year that he was proving that one could not get scurvy eating that way. The reason 0.5g of carb matters to me is because when I ate eggs sometimes I was in the habit of eating 20 a day which would be 10g of carbs a day. That really didn't matter to me but when I came here and ya'll were talking about no-carb my goal was to keep under 5 g a day.

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

Stefansson did eat a few eggs when he was travelling and didn't have any other choice.

Kristi31 · Top Cat Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 378 Location: Montreal

As of late, I haven't eaten eggs because I suspect I may be allergic to them. Eggs are indeed very nutritious but so are organ meats which I eat from time to time. I'm certainly gonna try eggs again and see how it goes.

As to where I found the 0.6g value, here it is:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
I eat the yolk raw.

I realize that some protein will convert to glucose and excess of it may prevent ketoadaptation. Until I ketoadapt, my protein consumption is kept to a minimum, even perhaps under what is considered the minimum so that this forces the body (at least those organs/tissues that can use it) to use ketones as fuel instead of glucose. Afterwards, I will gradually increase protein to a level that is more appropriate and which still allows for ketones to be the main fuel.
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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject:

Did Stefansson eat eggs while he was being confined and studied in New York? He didn't want to eat eggs or dairy because he didn't want the skeptics to have the excuse that dairy or eggs were keeping him healthy on his meat diet. He decided to eat all meat so they wouldn't have that excuse.

Stephen

Kristi31 · Top Cat Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 378 Location: Montreal

I believe you're right. Stefansson only stuck to meat and seafood for those reasons you mentioned.
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adwred · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject:

I also recall him mentioning that he would eat eggs when travelling and didn't have access to enough meat, Carnie.
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meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject:

adwred,
I'm not saying eggs are bad food. I think they are one of our greastest superfoods. But I think it is debateable whether eggs are superior to meat. I'm about to add them back into my diet. I'm gonna add 5 to 10 eggs back in because my little brother keeps chickens and he's collecting about 15 eggs a day right now and somebody's gotta eat all these fresh eggs.

Stephen

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

I can't give you an exact reference, because I checked the book out of the library. But I do recall him saying that while his buddy was "clean" for the year, because Stef did some travelling, he would on rare occasion have no choice but to eat eggs. I can get the book back and reference it, but it's gonna take me a few weeks.

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject:

I'll look into it.

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

Adventures in Diet (Part 2):

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject:

Adventures in Diet(part 2):

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

Ok, that's not it, I'm gonna have to check the book out again. It's been a while since I've read it, but I recall him talking about being in a train station (or something similar) and there not being any other available food. I don't think I'm remembering incorrectly, I read that book very carefully. It'll just take a while.

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

The book I read was either Not by Bread Alone or the Fat of the Land, but I think they're just different editions of the same book.

adwred · Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject:

I'm not saying you have to eat eggs. I'm just saying avoiding them due to carbs is kind of silly. But if that's not really the issue, then cool.
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diana76 · Hunter Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 160

i love eggs from my head down to my legs...the incredible edible egg!!!
im so sorry guys but all this egg talk kinda popped that song into my head...thanks thanks alot.....LMAO just playin gotta love me Laugh

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:06 am Post subject:

lol.....no adwred, you may be a cute convincing little red head, but that doesn't mean I going to eat eggs because you tell me to eat eggs, you don't have to worry about that...lol

adwred · Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject:

Oh yay, I was all set to lose sleep about it.
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Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

Even though the book came from another state, it only took two days to get here.

The quote is from the Fat of the Land by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, p. 73

[quote]Something near to an exemption in the class of "milk, milk products and eggs" was arrived at by our authorities in view of my need for extensive traveling. It would happen in a small town that I had to get off a train at, say, two in the morning and wait around the station till five or six o'clock for my connection. Usually there would be in the neighborhood a restaurant of the wagon type. They would have puffed rice and corn flakes and many other things that were strictly forbidden to me; there might remain only such mildly taboo things as bacon and eggs. In such cases, perhaps a dozen times during the year, and in a few analogous cases, I did eat eggs.[/quote]