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salviaforme

Weston Price Died Of Heart Attack, Proof High Fat Bad?

I recently found out Weston A Price died of a heart attack at age 68. Since he was promoting a high fat diet and died of a heart attack, what does this say about his advice?

I am concerned about this and would like someone to give me a explanation as to why this could be.

My concerns are further reinforced by another supporter of the high fat died and the Weston Price foundation, Stephen Byrnes, who died of a stroke at quite a young age (45 i think?).

A few months ago i read about a man who suffered a heart attack at age 33. He was on vlc also.

I know Stephen had AIDS, but 2 people dying from cardiovascular diseases and following a high fat diet surely can't be a coincidence.

I started doing a bit more research because i noticed my own circulation becoming affected after starting high fat / high protein. Here are a few things i have noticed:

1 - my heart seems to beat faster after eating lots of fat

2 - when i used to smoke and eat high fat i would feel very cold and shiver, but i never felt this way on my old regular diet.

This seems to suggest that a high fat does is negatively affecting my circulation.

Has anyone experienced anything similiar to what i have described? What do you think about Weston Price dying of a heart attack, and Stephen Byrnes of a stroke?

These are exactly the kind of things the veggies and vegans will say are proof that meat and fat are bad, how do we respond to this?
Glennart

Re: Weston Price Died Of Heart Attack, Proof High Fat Bad?

salviaforme wrote:

2 people dying from cardiovascular diseases and following a high fat diet surely can't be a coincidence.


It absolutley can.

It's more or less usless to study individual cases when it comes to things like heart disease. There are so many factors involved, diet, genetic heritage, exercise, stress etc.

It's alot more sensible to look at risk factors in larger parts of a population.

For example: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/5/1175
Quote:

Design: Quantitative coronary angiography was performed at baseline and after a mean follow-up of 3.1 y in 2243 coronary segments in 235 postmenopausal women with established coronary heart disease. Usual dietary intake was assessed at baseline.


Quote:

Carbohydrate intake was positively associated with atherosclerotic progression (P = 0.001), particularly when the glycemic index was high. Polyunsaturated fat intake was positively associated with progression when replacing other fats (P = 0.04) but not when replacing carbohydrate or protein. Monounsaturated and total fat intakes were not associated with progression.
Max Thunder

Look in the necrological section of your favorite newspaper. 99% of these people probably follow a "normal" diet. Those that died young probably died of heart attacks. This surely can't be a coincidence...


As Glennart said, genetic heritage can be very important. For instance, around here, familial hypercholesterolemia affects about 1 person/100. This disease, in its milder form, has for consequence that your cells carry less LDL receptors, this particles thus accumulating in the blood and more prone to oxidation, which leads to the formation of arterial plaque. Even on the best diet, these people will never be centenarian. And that's just one known relationship between genes and heart attacks.
adwred

About Stephen Byrnes:
http://blog.plantpoisonsandrotten...d-the-death-of-dr-stephen-byrnes/

Also, read Good Calories, Bad Calories.
salviaforme

adwred is that a cigar your smoking?

I found this video about the book you mentioned, will see if they have it at my library.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoQGRJqGQTs
adwred

It is indeed!
Free

Max Thunder wrote:
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As Glennart said, genetic heritage can be very important. For instance, around here, familial hypercholesterolemia affects about 1 person/100. This disease, in its milder form, has for consequence that your cells carry less LDL receptors, this particles thus accumulating in the blood and more prone to oxidation, which leads to the formation of arterial plaque. Even on the best diet, these people will never be centenarian. And that's just one known relationship between genes and heart attacks.


So you are saying that high LDL does cause coronary artery disease? Last time I checked my LDL was over 250 (TC over 300). Should I be concerned?

I thought that people with the highest cholesterol levels live the longest?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPYaVcXo1I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xrr8MjDJ78
wifezilla

Especially if you are a woman....high cholesterol levels mean you live longer!
Kristi31

Adwred,

I thought your were actually sipping on something. Oh well...to each, their perceptions.

Re: LDL, the number means nothing. What is more important is VLDL which transports triglycerides and can cause arterial damage due its smaller size as opposed to LDL which are fluffy large particles. If your Triglycerides are low or normal, there is nothing to worry at all.

You also don't want your cholesterol levels to be too low. Normal or high is ok. HDL normal to high as well.

Also, many cultures like the Masai and Eskimos especially ate mostly animal fat and there was hardly any incidence of heart attack among them. In the early 1900's, in the Western world, when heart attacks were much less prominent, people ate more fat, including saturated fat (i.e. butter) and less carbs.
johndela1

Kristi31 wrote:
Adwred,

I thought your were actually sipping on something. Oh well...to each, their perceptions.


I thought the same thing.  Good example of something seen not necessarily being true.
adwred

Yes, I'm sipping something very very hot out of a very small cup. Laugh
Puma

Weston A. Price didn't live his whole life on high fat, should point out that he also ate grains and what not.

Bear lived a sugary and starchy life for 20 years or so and he already had heart problems from all the insulin caused scarring. Arnold Schwarzenegger was born with a bad heart. Not a whole lot you can do about that. I have my own bit of permanent damage even though I changed my lifestyle when I was 16-17 years old because of the irresponsibility of my parents(even by conventional standards - they knew better).
Trem

Weston Price probably had milk, grains, fruits, and nuts in his diet too.

It probably didn't help Arnold Schwarzenegger to be using D-bol all those years. Who knows what effect that had on his heart.

Regarding Bear, I just got done reading a book about nutrition relating to blood type and I found it interesting how people with Blood Type A are more prone to heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. Bear's blood type is A- and he's had heart problems and cancer. The diet recomended for this type is vegetarian with soy protein excluding all red meat. Has anybody read Eat Right 4 Your Type? It's very fascinating. Blood Type O people are supposed to be meat eaters, which I thankfully am  Yup
Avalon

I say pull peoples hearts out when they're young! No worries then in old age Smile  Roll Eyes

...oh, and TEETH TOO!  Cry
Carnation

Did Arnold Schwartzennogie die, or something?  Why all the talk of his heart?
Avalon

I just don't have the Heart to tell you  Cry
Puma

I ment Arnold as an example but Arnold had surgery sometime in the past few years because of his heart problems, which he was born with. Ofc people blamed it on his bodybuilding, which may have been part of it, but you can't really blame it when he's born with such a thing.
Erasmus

Avalon wrote:
I say pull peoples hearts out when they're young! No worries then in old age Smile  Roll Eyes


I had a G/F once, when I was young, who agreed with you.   Roll Eyes

-E
Avalon

Laugh  Shock  Evil
salviaforme

I got a reply back from the Weston A Price foundation. They said although Price offically died of a heart attack, there are doubts over whether this was actually the cause of his death.

They suggested the possibility that it could have been stress.

i would have still thought that eating a low/no carb diet would still be benefical, even if you did eat lots of carbs before. So i was quite surprised to hear he died at the age he did.

However i still think eating fat is good for you, because it seems most of the mainstram information we are told today is completely biased and not entirely accurate.

I was speaking to someone recently about the low fat diet, and he said his parents used to eat lots of fat and meat and they both lived into their late 80s. That was just the way people ate.

Although people also used to eat lots of sugar, flour and potatoes. They still had lower rates of heart disease and cancer.

I recently listened to a very interesting program about why so many people are getting cancer now. Up until the 1970s? the polio vaccines they gave people contain a cancer causing monkey virus called sv40.

What they were sayig is that some scientists were aware of the dangers this could cause in humans, and said that there will probably be an explosion in cancer rates in the next 20-30 years. Which seems to have been whats happened.

Some went so far as to say this was done deliberately as part of a global population reduction strategy. Whereby you get injected with a cancer virus in your vaccine, which then activates in 20-30 years giving you cancer.

So this may be one reason why cancer rates have gone up so much from what they used to be. And i think there is some truth behind it, certaintly a lot of evidence to suggest that is the case.

According to the biblelife.org site exercise such as running, can also increase the rate and growth of cancer. This came as news to me, as like everyone i thought all exercise was good for you.

The site said that strenuous exercise causes lots of free radicals, which damages the body. I heard something similiar to this from Gary Null a well know "health expert" (who promotes a high veg/low fat diet). He said running a mile or so is the equivalent in terms of free radicals, as smoking 2 packs of cigarettes!

Interestingly the focus on fitness occured around the 1960s when getting fit became popular, and lots of health clubs started popping up.

Around the same time the low fat/low meat diet was promoted. Since then cancer has skyrocketed. When if you look at our grandparents generation, they did none of the things we consider to be healthy now and still lived a long life. Most of them also smoked.

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