| Archive for Active No-Carber Forums A veggie-free zone |
| SaintAngerBH |
The Benefits of Whole Grains!?!?! hahaha....Check this moron out.http://forum.lowcarber.org/showth...php?t=334480&page=1&pp=15 Laughable..... |
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| ReddyMcMeaty |
Oh, it's that woah guy ....enough said.  He's been saying ridiculous things for as long as I remember noticing his posts because of how stupid they were.
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| Avalon |
Who really knows anything? One person does well another doesn't. One scientific study claims one thing, another another thing. Recently on the news one study cited that lycopene did not help with cancer- as to what they've been saying all along. Who can you believe? How many people are there with different metabolisms and different food intolerances, even within the same Family.
I think I've almost given up on believing anything any more. Unless tried. Even then I only know it may work for me. I believe in eggs though!  Uh huh, uh huh, I like them, uh huh, uh huh!
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| Scout Finch |
SaintAnger, there are some really good posters over on that forum who can debunk the studies that the whoa guy throws up. Apparently, he's also not that great in arguing his position. I've also lurked on the CR forum, the one whoa claims to be a member of, and they are complete assholes over there. We are talking definitively a closed club. And many of them are very scientifically bent in the biology and physiology of the CR stuff. My guess is that this whoa character feels out of his element there.
I don't like the way he chastises and belittles people for their LC. What's he doing there if his motive is to lord it over everybody? I have no problem with him posting that stuff and engaging in discussion, but he claims never to have read an LC book (admitting this with no shame after thousands of posts on an LC board) and simply tells people they are out to lunch if they try and take him on. I will admit that I am curious about the CR research, which is why I'm now doing IF. And I don't mind reading the stuff he posts. But he's a cocky young kid with an attitude over there. He's never had a weight problem, brags about his lab values, and tells people to simply "cut their calories" even if it's not with a low carb diet. He doesn't understand who his audience is. And apparently doesn't care. /rant over 
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| brklx |
You wanted to say closed mind rather than club. Right? I tried IF for couple months and found out that I prefer to eat three regular meals. As Bear says: "On this diet you don't need to fast or IF." Also I read a study on Ramadan fasting and they say that during the Ramadan, the people's TG and LDL went up and the good HDL went down. |
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| SaintAngerBH |
Starvation also causes fatty liver. You dont burn the fat, you try to store it as long as possible and it accumulates in the liver. |
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| SaintAngerBH |
Ironic. The way he eats, in about 15-20 years he'll have insulin resistance syndrome. Bet on it. I was overweight as a child, but in recent years had a perfectly normal weight. Just like him. Yet I nearly became type II diabetic anyway. Just because he's skinny doesn't mean he's healthy. And cholesterol, in my opinion, has zilch to do with heart disease anyway so who cares about his numbers. If anything, low numbers are bad. Particularly for brain function. He'll eat his words in about 15 years. All those "wholesome" grains are gonna lead him straight to metabolic syndrome. I agree with Bear, our digestive systems are not different. We are all generally the same in this area, and in my opinion all have the same needs. But, most will disagree with me there. |
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| adwred |
And if he does end up insulin-resistent, he still probably won't blame it on all the grains he's eaten, but on something genetic, since 'whole foods' will never steer you wrong. 
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| Avalon |
And I'll chime in by saying, Good luck with that.
I encourage anyone to keep a record of what they are doing, for I have found that at this point in time, anyone doing anything could pass or fail depending on so many variables.... don't get me started! Write it down! Keep a record! Perhaps more than six months, And for the record, he is no moron, Perhaps he is miguided. Seriously  Were you never misguided? Where are you now in your life?
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| SaintAngerBH |
Being misguided is one thing. There's ignorance and then there's stupidity. He won't even take the initiative to pick up one single low carb book. He's a moron because he knows jack about low carb or zero carb and is all over that site trying to tell the entire low-carb/no-carb community that they're all wrong. That none of us have fixed our weight issues, or our diabetes or insulin resistance. That only refined carbs, not grains lead to diabetes and heart disease. Which is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Just because he's skinny and has yet to face degeneration. It's not about his beliefs that grains are good. It's the fact that he is picking fights and not backing up his statements/articles when he does. I've done low-fat, SAD, South Beach, Atkins and now Carnivorous. I even tried vegan when I was a junior in high school. Every diet, including Atkins failed miserably. Atkins helped my blood sugar, but zero-carb is what really reversed the problem. If he can eat grains and stay healthy his whole life great. I however don't believe he will. I believe diet and food can turn on and off gene expression. The probablity of having diabetes when you consume carbohydrates is genetic, however when you remove carbs everyone's chance regardless of genes is 0 because your blood sugar is stable 24/7. Few things are genetically destined, most things IMO are genetically predispositioned and can be turned on or off due to lifestyle and diet. But...ha...to each their own I suppose. |
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| Avalon |
SaintAngerBH:
This is a cool belief
It just seems to me most often most problems are not caused by healthy carbs, but by BAD and SAD carbs. There's a whole bunch-o-sad carbs out there 
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| SaintAngerBH |
I don't think veggies cause degenerative disease. I do think however once diabetes especially, and heart disease and other things have already begun their processes that once you're at a certain point veggies can make it worse. Even the non-starchy ones. I do think grains of all sorts cause it though. My opinion is that there are no good carbs. Just worse ones than some others, but that's just my opinion. I know in my experience I had stopped eating sugar and refined carbs after I left high school. There was a period where I drank alot of beer, but about 4 years ago stopped that. I went on the traditional low-fat/high-carb diet with lots of "wholesome grains" and ezekiel bread, whole grain pasta, fruit and veggies, skim milk, low-fat cheese...etc. etc...Lots of spinach and broccoli... This is when I started getting low blood sugar episodes and progressed from reactive hypoglycemia, to hyperinsulinemia to stage one of type 2 diabetes. Of course my lifestyle as a child probably made it more likely to happen, as I ate lots and lots of junk. This is where the genetic predisposition comes in. Some kids eat exactly the way I ate as a child and had zero problems. Of course I was overweight most of my childhood so I probably had high insulin levels my WHOLE LIFE (pheeww!!). The real point, I think, is the fact that the dietary recommendations of the AHA and the ADA are wrong. It's obvious in my experience that "wholesome grains" and "fruits and veggies" do not fix blood sugar or metabolic issues, and only serve to aggravate them...especially once you've become insulin resistant. I do think though, if one were to eat mostly meat their whole life...since they wouldn't have exposed themselves to constant blood sugar and insulin spikes that you would be MUCH more tolerant of some grains or fruit once in a while. But that's the key. ONCE IN A WHILE, not as a way of eating all 3 meals in a day. Just my view on it though. |
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| paleogirl |
SaintAnger, I totally agree with you.
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| adwred |
I agree with you, too, except on the above point. Avalon, vegetables and fruits are not the harmless carbs that people think they are, either, though. I know that you stick by the 'no one really knows what is healthy and what isn't', but vegetables do contain a host of plant poisons (salicylates, amines, phytoestrogens, goiterogens, coumarins, oxalates, protease inhibitors, and cyanogens... etc., etc.) that the body has to detoxify through the liver and that can and do cause and definitely can and do exacerbate disease. This is a reality - not just some kind of anti-vegetable propaganda. Plants have protective mechanisms built in that help protect them from being eaten, plain and simple. Whether or not vegetables or fruit are believed to be less harmful because they don't cause as big of an insulin response doesn't tell the whole story because the story doesn't end with insulin, diabetes or heart disease. Eliminating them from my diet has, without a doubt, made me a healthier person. There are animal products that I also can't tolerate, so it's not like I'm saying 'if it's animal, then it's 100% good for you and safe and superior, regardless of where it comes from and what's been added to it', although, from my experience with food and health and my own body, I would pick an animal product over a plant product any day of the week, if we're talking disease prevention and overall health. I'm not one of those people who never really liked vegetables and am using this as an excuse not to eat them. I love vegetables! I'm a chef, after all. There is hardly a food out there that I don't have affection for. I love vegetables, but I love having a healthy body more. |
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