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bigsea

study about building muscle on low carb.

i found this study about building muscle on low carb, as this is something i'm very interested in. i tried to read thru the study as best i could, im not a scientist, my interpretation of the conclusion is that it's not impossible to build muscle on low carb, but pretty difficult. anyone else get this impression?

http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~jjhulmi/Manninen32.pdf
Dave

How does the body grow muscle on glucose?
bigsea

this is making me CRAZY!?-/!?-;?!?
am i supposed to believe that our ancestors and all the people before the cultivation of high carb grains were skinny and muscleless?? why is it so hard to build muscle this way? this is making me crazy i'd have all the determination and motivation in the world to eat ZERO carb if i knew I could build substantial muscle. not only is it difficult to build muscle it's difficult to sustain exercise.
ecrivain

You don't even need to go back that far. Just look at some of the "Golden Age" bodybuilders. They're all about steak 'n eggs, high protein, low carb. Take Vince Gironda for example:
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The next protein to discuss is: Steak and Eggs - the strong man's favorite meal. The amount of meat and the number of eggs used are a matter of body weight, height and severity of training. This meal is the favorite of bodybuilders interested in keeping up their size and burning all possible fat from their bodies. Both of these meals are excellent blood sugar elevators and both sustain blood sugar levels for a 6-hour period. Training on steak and eggs, you will find, does not require more than two meals a day (morning and night). I am not listing grams of protein in these meals because I do not think it is necessary.


http://www.westonaprice.org/men/splendidspecimens.html
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According to Harry Smith, long-time gym owner, ex-pro wrestler and Muscle Beach alumnus, body builders didn’t think much about specialty food or supplements in those days. The emphasis was on training rather than eating and resting. Harry did state that many of them tried to keep their eating clean, and that on a number of occasions they would frequent a small deli about one-half block from the beach. The deli offered freshly ground beef to which some of the guys would mix some raw onions and a little salt and pepper. The meat was eaten raw along with raw milk. Harry said it was a cheap and easy way to eat hardy and keep out of the restaurants.
ReddyMcMeaty

Thanks for the post Ecrivain. If you sift through the info you'll find what you are looking for.. it's hard to get past the "information" which is provided to you in order for someone else to make a profit. It's bad for business for you to eat low carb...meaning meat, eggs and other natural foods.
Viking Dan

I think its difficult only in that you are likely eating less calories on low/no carb. To add muscle, you need to eat above maintenance cals.

So...if you can choke down 3-4 lbs. of meat/day or equivalent, you'll probably manage ok.
adwred

So, if you're trying to lose weight by lifting weights and eating reduced calories, you'll just end up catabolizing muscle and not losing any fat? I find this part of working out confusing. What exercise is appropriate for weight loss if you're trying to reduce calories?
ironman1964bc

The supplement industry is so huge now that they control most of the info that weightlifters hear and see. The last time that I read a similar article, there was an add for a high carb postworkout drink at the bottom of the page.

Bodybuilders are hungup on the idea that insulin must be spiked so that nutrients can be shuttled into the muscles, so they all feel that postworkout carbs are at the very least necessary. I think its a load of bs myself, as does many others like Art Devany and the late great Vince Gironda. For one thing, insulin spikes instantly stop fat burning and hgh release. In fact, DeVany is totally against the idea of eating 6 small meals a day, as that tends to keep your insulin levels in a slightly elevated state at all times, which is something the body was not designed for. DeVany goes through a 12 hour undereating phase every couple of days as he feels that this is when our bodies heal itself, build new tissue, and regenerates. These things cannot happen in the presence of elevated insulin. This is the result of the overeating/undereating phases our ancestors had to endure and our bodies are still designed for that way of eating.
ecrivain

adwred wrote:
So, if you're trying to lose weight by lifting weights and eating reduced calories, you'll just end up catabolizing muscle and not losing any fat? I find this part of working out confusing. What exercise is appropriate for weight loss if you're trying to reduce calories?


Not that About.com is an authority on health and fitness, but this article explains it simply enough:
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Unfortunately, losing fat and gaining muscle are conflicting goals. Building muscle requires eating more calories than you burn while losing fat requires eating less calories than you burn. When you're trying to lose fat and reducing calories, you won't be taking in the number of calories your muscles would need to grow larger.


This is why bodybuilders go through cutting / bulking cycles.

The goal of weight-lifting while losing fat isn't really to build muscle (since that's not quite possible), it's to maintain muscle. This is important while losing weight because muscle helps you burn fat. Plus, muscle helps you look good, which is why many people want to lose weight anyways. Wink So, while you lose fat and maintain muscle, you will begin to see more muscle definition. And that's generally a good thing.

So it's not that you necessarily need to do different weight-lifting exercises while cutting calories. The difference between cutting and bulking is caloric intake, not the exercises.

That said, in my experience, the best weight-lifting "bang for your buck" while cutting calories is to use a full-body routine composed of the big, compound lifts (squats, deadlifts, bench presses, overhead presses, barbell rows, etc). This can be done 2-3 times a week. And if you keep your rest periods between exercises short, you'll even get a nice cardio workout out of it. Evil

But really, any kind of lifting routine that includes heavy weights and works up a sweat will be better than nothing. Do whatever will keep you interested. Mix it up. Try different things. There are a hundred different ways to train, and almost all of them will yield results. There's no One Right Way.

Krista over at stumptuous.com has tons of great information on weight training and strength conditioning. I highly recommend browsing her site. Good stuff there.
Scout Finch

I like the stumptuous website. There is great info there for women who work out. She has a great attitude as well.

INteresting about six small meals keeping insulin spiked. Makes sense.

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