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mipo

New book on no-fat diet

I just ran across an article in my local paper about a 2007 book by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn Jr. called Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease.  This one line caught my attention: "... every bite of fat unleashes free radicals - harmful chemicals that wreak havoc on the arteries."  

Thoughts, anyone?

http://www.cleveland.com/living/p...0/1213086624319390.xml&coll=2
Carnation

If people want to eat this way, I say let them.  It sounds like a good form of population control.
mipo

Carnation wrote:
If people want to eat this way, I say let them.  It sounds like a good form of population control.


Right - I'd kill myself if I did.  Yup

It's the first time I've heard the "free radicals" angle on dietary fat, though.  He also mentions the "Papua Highlanders of New Guinea" as completely vegetarian and free of coronary disease; how does this jibe with the Inuit and the Masai?  Guess going native is the best way.
Carnation

I don't know anything about Papua Highlanders of New Guinea, but as with so many things regarding nutrition in humans, there are probably factors other than their vegetable-based diet contributing to their health.

I'd be suspicious of any "plan" which required one to take supplements, and oh yeah, keep taking your cholesterol-lowering drugs, unless your cholesterol gets below 150!  As if it were desirable to have cholesterol under 150.
ReddyMcMeaty

eh my background isn't  Papua Highlander it's Scots and Norwegian Highlander so I'll take the fish and the meat and the sour milk.
Erasmus

He may be right.

Providing that you classify "vegetarian" as eats pigs and hunts.

Quote:
What is the cost of living in the Papua New Guinea highlands? An answer is sought using a time and energy accounting approach. The subsistence regime of Wola-speaking highlanders, the subjects of this investigation, comprises three components. The principal one is horticulture: people clearing gardens from forest and grassland, with tuberous crops predominating, notably sweet potato. The second component comprises animal rearing, notably of domestic pigs. The third, and least important, is hunting and gathering for food in the forest. The calculated returns on investments in these subsistence domains vary considerably. Gardens return in their crops between ten and fifteen times the energy expended in cultivation. Pigs may also give a good return, of four to five times the energy invested in rearing them, if slaughtered when adult, but people regularly keep animals for years and may incur negative energy returns on their labour investments. This relates to the high cultural premium put on pigs. Foraging for food is also energetically costly, the Wola expending four times more energy on these activities than they gain in return from the food they secure. This analysis of energy gains and losses challenges the relative notion of affluence as applied to foragers, by reviewing it in the comparative context of subsistence horticulture.


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Carnation

Eats pigs and hunts?  I think I'm a vegetarian, too!
Avalon

Roll Eyes
waywardsister

I was going to say the same thing, that the PNG's aren't vegetarian! Jared Diamond has some very good information about them in Guns, Germs and Steel.

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