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Dave

Medical nutrient in broccoli found to kill cancer cells

http://www.newstarget.com/020444.html

(NewsTarget) New research published in the journal Cancer Research has found that naturally occurring compounds found in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, brussels sprouts and watercress can selectively kill cancer cells.

Researchers from Otago University's Christchurch school of medicine in New Zealand found that natural chemical compounds in the vegetables called isothiocyanates can cause cell-suicide in cancer cells that are normally resistant to cell-suicide because of high levels of a certain protein called Bcl-2.

"A cancer cell with a lot of Bcl-2 has increased resistance to chemotherapy drugs that are used to destroy the tumor," says lead researcher Dr. Mark Hampton. "We've found that Bcl-2 can't protect cancer cells against certain isothiocyanates."

The researchers' discovery has opened up the possibility of the development of a new cancer drug based on naturally occurring isothiocyanates that would only kill cancer cells -- not healthy ones -- but natural health advocates say cancer patients could receive the benefits of isothiocyanates by simply eating the cruciferous vegetables they come from.

Consumer advocate Mike Adams says broccoli has long been a potent, natural cancer fighter, and cancer patients should eat broccoli and other anti-cancer cruciferous vegetables to fight their disease, rather than waiting for a pharmaceutical company to turn broccoli's natural compounds into an expensive drug.

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Dave

I was thinking this stuff might be like radiation! Oh wow it kills cancer cells, but that's because it kills all cells?
waywardsister

Can't eat BSprouts. My BF is still talking about the rumble in my jungle that they caused. Severe gastrointestinal event. Whooo.

But broccoli I can do, provided it's cooked to mush and smothered in either salt and vinegar, or cheese sauce. Question is, how much would one need to eat to receive these cancer-fighting benefits?

I don't believe that veggies are evil *ducks*

(Except BSprouts and peas. They are evil)
Moronic_Pathways

i love Brussel sprouts- they always keep the pipes moving Laugh
how could anyone resist baby cabbages? they just look like little baby cabbages Laugh broccolli is great as well IMO,especially steamed and medium well..good shit,literly
Max Thunder

Plants needs to protect themselves against infection, cancers and the like. The plant pathogens and plant cancers tend to be similar to animal pathogens and cancers, so the compounds have some utility for us.

There is a lot of anti-cancer compounds in meat too, but cooking tends to eliminate them. I strongly believe that raw organs are a nice addition to a meat diet, providing the best nutrients for our own organs.

Let's just extract the compound from broccoli if they work that well, growing broccoli would probably be easier than synthetise a similar compound in labs. If it is beneficials to a pasta-eating cancer-enjoying patient, it's perfectly fine. The problem is that you can't patent that stuff.

And no, it doesn't act like radiation. Don't stay too close to broccoli though, I heard that it can make you kill people (they have telepathic skills) in an evil plot from the brassicaceaei race to dominate the heart. But they're not as bad as carrots and cocumbers, at least they stay out of anal territory.
WesleyT

all kinds of differend veggies and fruits can reduce the risk of certain deseases, the question is
- Does it have any benefit on zero carbers, because we arent exposed anymore to glucose and insulin, wich causes free radicals and increases the risk of certain cancers
it might just work as an antidote for the carbs? just as the vitamin c in certain veggies works as an antidote for nitrates
ReddyMcMeaty

I\m thinking along the lines of the last two posters. The cell killing chemicals are there, but are we able to make them work in our bodies by just eating the plants? Maybe if we're not able to we can let the cow do the work and just eat the cow. Smile

As for keeping the pipes "clean" this has already been a large topic and I can't say that I agree with eating fibre to keep your bowels moving, I think it causes more problems than it helps and the benefits are largely psychological... people want to see masses of stuff coming out. It makes them feel better. If the fibre isn't there, neither is the mass, or the need for it to come out.
TheBlitherer

Brocoli tastes pretty awful anyway.

Fibre and complex carbohydrates produce bloat and wind. If you only eat meat you will almost never fart! :-)
Dave

I once forced down a cup of raw brocolli.

I feel sick, still remembering that occasion!

I was gagging the whole time.
woof_woof

As we know from bear's story zero carb diet doesn't prevent cancer but I remember some long-term study which showed no difference in cancer rates between people who ate lots of veggies and those who didn't.
esca_lante

Well, I am almost a carnivore but I think that we donīt lose anything if we eat some veggies once on a while, especially people who donīt drink coffe, green tea or other plant-derived beverages. As Bear said, vegetables are like a natural pharmacological factory, not food. Carnivores in the wild eat plants (self medication).
I drink yerba mate (similar to green tea but better) but I am convinced that ingesting vegetables every day is unhealthy for the digestive tract.
LCforevah

I just came from the www.proteinpower.com post on IF and Dr Mike confirms for one of the latest commenters that cancer cells can't utilize ketones -- they need glucose to survive. It seems to me, then, that a vlc or zero carb diet would give optimal protection against cancer anyway.

What a person who already has cancer would have to do I wouldn't know, since I'm not a doctor--but it seems to me that starving existing cancer cells with zero carb wouldn't hurt.

Point is, broccoli is probably only necessary when you're eating too many carbs to begin with.
Carolyn

I used to 'gag' down broccoli too because I thought it was 'so' healthy for me. no more!
WesleyT

LCforevah wrote:
I just came from the www.proteinpower.com post on IF and Dr Mike confirms for one of the latest commenters that cancer cells can't utilize ketones -- they need glucose to survive. It seems to me, then, that a vlc or zero carb diet would give optimal protection against cancer anyway.

What a person who already has cancer would have to do I wouldn't know, since I'm not a doctor--but it seems to me that starving existing cancer cells with zero carb wouldn't hurt.

Point is, broccoli is probably only necessary when you're eating too many carbs to begin with.
your body can allways make more glucose from protein or glycerol
so if the cancer cells suck up all glucose your body makes more, i dont think it would have any effect in killing cancer cells Sad
LCforevah

Apparently, WesleyT, there's alternatives to just using zero carbs to get rid of cancer cells!
Go to Dr Mike's new post at www.proteinpower.com/drmike/archives/2006/09/protein_power_v.html#comments and click on the PDF near the end to read the interview with Dr. Thomas Seyfried
WesleyT

thx, i will check it out
Scout Finch

Thanks for posting that link. I bookmarked Dr. Eades' site after reading about IF. I'm so intrigued by this stuff. Is anybody else interested in trying a formal IF plan as outlined in the original link?
Yup
adwred

I posted a challenge in the challenge section earlier today because, I too bookmarked Eades' blog and came across this article. I'm officially throwing down the IF gauntlet!
Dave

I honestly think that IF is the latest low carb fad.

By all means go for it, but I am trying to change my Way Of Life, and I need a routine that steers away from emotionally eating.

From what I gleaned from Dr. Eades blog post, the aim is very similar to the CRON types. They are trying to extend their life for some reason.

I take more of an approach that death is natural, and I would prefer to prepare myself for the inevitable, than spend all my efforts trying to avoid it.

If I make it to 80, then I'm doing great!
admin

It may be a fad in that all kinds of people are jumping on it hoping for it to be the next magic thing for them, but like low carb in general, there a lot of great things about it should you choose to do it. I was introduced to IF by way of the warrior diet, I think there are too many carbs on that diet but the principle can be useful for a lot of people. People who are too busy to eat during the day, who need to be mentally sharp at work all day, people who can't be bothered to prepare many meals or people who just like to be stuffed. The undereating phase really does enhace mental alertness and energy. Obviously it's not for everyone.

edit: oops, didn't mean to post as admin. Will go change my clothes.
WesleyT

diet composition doesnt seem to matter on calory restriction
i beleive IF and zero carb has the same benefits, i'm not sure though
there are alot of studies confirming that lots of carbs or low carb doesnt seem to matter when doing CR
esca_lante

Weslet T, the first 2 studies posted by Dan donīt support your statement. Ketogenic diets are the best way to approach intermittent fasting. An individual who is fat adapted can fast without problems.

http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic1042.php

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