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| steve198329 |
Just got my vitamin and mineral intra cellular blood testI have been mostly 0 carbing for about 2 years+. I mostly follow bears routine. I do eat a salad with my dinner only about 4 days per week which probably comes out to 15g of carbs. I have been supplemening with magnesium (200mg) and calcium (200mg). I do use unrefined Celtic salt on all of my food. I have found that using salt and supplementing with cal and mag is a must and I get arrhythmias, dry hair, dry skin, fatigue, irratiblity and other symptoms of hypothyroid if I don't. I still have brain fog and some of the symptoms even when I supplement so I decided to get a blood test to see if I might be deficient in any other nutrients. This is a legitimate blood test and is partially covered by insurence. I went to a hospital for the blood to be drawn and for them to send the blood work to a lab. They musured the amount of a particular nutrient inside the cell and then compared the results to thousands to of other people to see if there is a deficiency. Anyway here are the results.
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| steve198329 |
replyAs you can see I am borderline deficient in folate. Other than that this does prove that an all meat diet contains all the nutrients you need. I don't understand why I was deficient in folate though because like I said I usually eat a big romaine lettuce salad about 4 times per week. I did some research and supposedly folate is not very bioavailable in plants and are more bioavailable in supplements which is why most foods are fortified. Another theory I have about this is that paleolithic people did not bleed the animals they killed and folate is high in the serum but extremely low in the muscle meats and most organs except liver. So paleolithic people would have gotten their folate supply from the blood. I just picked up a folic acid supplement today and will seee if this was the missing link I have been looking for.My symptoms I described above in the 1st post did not occur until I started a 0 carb diet so maybe folate is the missing link. Low folate levels may also be the cause to my low glutathione and maybe also my low coenzyme Q10. I have seen studies that have showed folate supplementation increased glutathione levels. However, I do not know why my coenzyme Q10 levels were low because that is mostly found in meat. Maybe it had alot to do with the folate levels. I know as you get older you produce less of it but I am only 25. Well what do you guys think. Discuss .................................... |
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| Kristi31 |
I think the symptoms you describe (arrythmia, dry skin, fatigue, etc.) are a manifestation of excess ketones in your body either due to the fact you aren't keto-adapted (eating too many carbs) or just eating too much fat, hence excess ketones. I had those exact same symptoms and they have disappeared or are greatly improving following lower fat consumption. I expect things to resolve completely on their own in the short-term. Also, I don't believe an all-meat diet lacks any nutrients, hence no need for supplementation. By taking the supplements, you're not getting at the root of the problem which is that there are excess ketones in your body.
Lastly, this test compares your levels to that of a population that eats high-carb. Not valid at all. The needs of individuals on high-carb are different. Levels are useless in this instance. Better to go with actual physiological symptoms. My 2 cents... |
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| adwred |
What exactly are you eating? Give me a general list of foods on an average day, for example. Those symptoms are all food chemical intolerance symptoms and a 1% deviation in a nutrient is not likely the problem (unless you have a particularly great need for folate). Depressed folate might indicate food chemical intolerance, too.
Low folate levels can indicate low neurotransmitters, which could explain some of your symptoms. Folate is also an important co-factor in the methylation cycle, so it's worth looking into that and it's relation to food chemical intolerance. |
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| Avalon |
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| woof_woof |
Fascinating but useless. | ||
| adwred |
I don't think it's useless at all. I can see not taking RDAs as gospel, since dietary requirements are different (less) on a VLC diet, but blood levels should not be affected. One of the reasons why Stefansson and Andersen were deemed healthy on a meat-only diet was because their nutrient levels were normal and they showed no deficienices in their blood work. | ||
| steve198329 |
replyWell the problem is definitely not from too much ketones because I have tried to add 50 grams of carbs to alleviate the problem but it had no effect. The carbs I was eating was mostly pizza everyday for lunch and I still had arrhythmias and the same symptoms.I do believe that this test is fairly accurate for the fact that comparing the results to thousands of people is not the only standard that they use. Even if they were compared to all people that consume carbs what would that have to do with anything? If there is a deficiency there is a deficiency. Don't you think that I would at least have higher Co Q10 levels or higher folate levels than someone who eats carbs? The test is more objective than just comparing results to other people. Read the first page, it tells you the criteria. If this test was bogus they would not be using it in hospitals. That’s like saying that I have a cholesterol level of 200 but I can’t believe the results because I don’t eat carbs. Every single test that they do in the hospital is always compared to a standard that was based off of tests done on other people. I mostly eat rib eye steaks and I have different food for dinner everyday. Sometimes chicken sometimes lamb. I eat eggs only once in a while. I do not consume any dairy. Sometimes I buy sirloin steaks and bone marrow for the fat. I eat a romaine lettuce salad about 4 times per week with olive oil and vinegar and salt and pepper. I usually mix tomatoes onions and sometimes cucumbers in the salad. If you are thinking I have food insensitivities to the salad you are wrong. I had the same symptoms when I eat the salad or not. When I lived at school I ate an all meat diet for 3 1/2 months without any vegetables at all. Absolutely none. And I had the same symptoms. There is something missing in this diet and I intend to find it. Although I will never go back to eating carbs I feel as though I am not as healthy as I should be. I want to find out what is going on with my body and I know that there are others on this forum that agree with me. |
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| steve198329 |
replyAdwred:Also don't forget, they could not do intracellular testing back in the early 1900s and might have overlooked some things like maybe folate. I believe that high homocysteine is a fairly new indicator of low folate so this too would have been overlooked. I don't think my folate levels would even have been that high if I had not eaten salad 4 nights of the week |
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| adwred |
There are food chemicals that can affect a food chemical intolerant in meat, too. You may have an amine sensitivity, in which case your reaction to salad would not be the issue. Although, olive oil, tomatoes, cucumbers ... that is a very reactive salad. And pizza!  The worst!
ETA: Not to mention that I don't know what else you might have been exposed to while not eating salads that is reactive. Any minty things, like gum and toothpaste, fragrances and cosmetics, medications, including over the counter ones (aspirin, NSAIDs) are all full of salicylates. As are spices, in case you ever use them on your meat. |
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| Avalon |
Took the words right out of my mouth. If you're not eating that many egg you might consider a couple of raw yolks a day. I'm not sure about folate absorption with yolks but they are touted to be as good as a multi-vitamin by some. Best wishes, Avalon 
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| Plasma |
You look to have methylation issues. Your homocystein is probably high, oxidative stress. low CoQ10 is common in insulin issues... The CoQ10 found in meat is probably getting used up to quickly for the oxidative stress.
Your specrtrox is very low. B-5 is probably to low. Increase B12 as well. |
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| steve198329 |
My B5 levels are adiquate and I don't think B5 is directly involved in the methlyation cycle. I went to the doctor to get my homocysteine checked and it was 6.53 UMOL/L.
The reference range for homocysteine is 5- 15 UMOL/L so my homocysteine is very low. I have been supplementing folate (400ug) and B12 for exactly 1 month. I have not noticed any changes at all in the way I feel or look. |
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| Plasma |
I have seen several other reports and your B's were the lowest I have seen.
but your zinc, copper and magnesium were great, one of the best i have seen. It can take many months sometimes years to correct a deficiency, ... Just test every 6 months if you can. Do you have any hormones test, like testosterone? |
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| steve198329 |
I have not had a testosterone test but I had a lipid panel test and everything was great. My homocysteine was low, triglycerides low, VDL low.
Are you looking at my values right. My test results show that the only deficiency I have in the B vitamins is folate. |
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| Plasma |
Yeah your results are good, im impressed with magnesium levels and zinc, copper. I wish mine were that high.
It's great you have a good doctor whos willing to test spectracell, I had to go through several docs before finding one who would do every test. I just got genova labs RBC fatty acid test done. good stuff. |
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| steve198329 |
did you get a specta cell analysis done too? If so are you doing 0 carb? What are your folate levels? Are you taking a multi or any supplements? | ||
| Plasma |
I change my diet a lot, but usually its about 65% fat, 20% protein, 15% carbs. I have tried under 5% carbs but i had hard time maintaing, i may try again, but i like eating to many fruits and greens. I do cheat once awhile with high sugar foods, cant seem to break the weekend addiction of sweet foods.
I just got spectracell 3 weeks ago. I take zinc, copper, magnesium, b6, vit C, b12, iron. My zinc, magnesium, and copper were low. My doc thinks its from my extremely poor diet growing up. He said when you become very deficient in some minerals diet will do nothing and you must supplement to recovery. this is what happened to me, also i spent 2 years as a raw vegan which further depleted me. I been 65/20/15 for 2 years, I have hashimotos disease also / low testosterone. 
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| steve198329 |
What do your genova labs RBC fatty acid test results show. Are you deficient in any essential fatty acids. Do you mostly eat grain fed meat?
I also supplement with magnesium and calcium whcih is why my test results show them high. If I didn't I get bad arrhythmias, dry hair, irratable and get bad cramps. The reason my copper and zinc levels are high is because I eat liver about once every 2 weeks whcih is high in copper. I eat mostly beef which explains high zinc levels. Just out of curiosity why are you supplementing with iron? Do you get stomach irritation from this? |
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| Plasma |
all my foods are organic / grassfed.
I take Iron because my Ferritin was low ( low iron is common in thyroidism ), my stomach is fine, but since i got my ferritin up i only take iron 1-2x a week, but i probably will go off since my meat intake is enough to hold my iron. I can email you my test results its a pdf file and hard to load on forums. Its difficult to read, i was just a little low saturated fats and my GLA was low, also for some reason my ALA and DPA were low but EPA and DHA were high, im thinking of eating more green veggies for ALA. My Palmitic acid was low... I think these tests are awesome for reaching optimal health, they have changed my life for the better. I'm a new person because of testing. |
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| steve198329 |
Yeah if you can email them I would like to take a look.
steve198329@hotmail.com Thanks |
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| ijw |
How much did this test cost? | ||
| Plasma |
350$ | ||
| steve198329 |
Cost me $175 and insurence paid the rest. | ||
| LOOPS |
HI Steve -
not that you suffer from anxiety or depression, but the following might be helpful: http://www.understand-andcure-anx...pression.com/5-htp-Melatonin.html it simply explains mental health, copper excess and what is needed to produce mental wellbeing. Loops |
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