I guess I definitely have to give up coffee

Viking Dan · I guess I definitely have to give up coffee

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/27/12/2990/T1

Although this study shows fasting glucose was pretty much the same with coffee, fasting insulin was almost 25% higher. Yikes!

Avalon

Give it up VD!

As with anything meant to hook us by the money grubbing nasty busy buddies, give it up and in time you'll be free of the bean! Nasty nasty beans! You can do it! I did! Look at me hee hee! Dunno

jl53563

But on a VLC diet, fasting insulin should be very low. So a 25% increase of a very low number could still be a very low number. Sometimes using percentages can be misleading.

And as with many other things, the rules sometimes change for those on a VLC diet. Our bodies just work differnently. Don't be too quick to give up the bean! Look what it's done for Ava. Laugh

Viking Dan

ReddyMcMeaty

and I'd rather have coffee

jl53563

Avalon

barb0324

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/20...rinking_women/UPI-51291213684618/

Grin

SandyDown

For just over a month now I have given up caffeine and diet sodas Grin

very proud of myself, not cuz am worried about the insulin its more to do with doing a proper detox, only I am having a decaf coffee (an excuse to put take in my cream really) anyone knows if decaf coffee has same level of toxins etc? I am trying to do a proper detox, so even stopped having decaf tea, I just have herbal (e.g. peppermint) and water. But do love my Tall decaf hot decaf coffee with lots of cream in it.
Oh I read somewhere about dandilion coffe, its just a dark drink, doesn't taste like Coffe, but I suppose I can get used to it if decaff coffee is considered as toxin for the body?

SandyDown

did I sound a bit smug Grin

jl53563

Don't be so quick to give up the Java!!!

jl53563

Sorry Barb......looks like we're citing the same study.

adwred

Not to be a broken record, but the peppermint tea would be more of a toxin than the coffee. It just has more powerful natural toxins in it. Peppermint is pure salicylate. I'd switch to chamomile, if you're interested in reducing the toxins. I've always been suspicious of decaf coffee because I've heard of them using formaldehyde in the decaffeinating process, but if you do well on it, then I wouldn't worry too much about it, especially if it's just one cup.

barb0324

Jeff, I don't think this one can be quoted enough! Yup

(I'm on my third-quadruple-cup-of-Espresso with lotsa cream - YUM) Grin

SandyDown

adwred

Yes a lot of doctors think aspirin is harmless or even beneficial. That's a very common attitude. Aspirin needs to be detoxed to be processed through the body, whether you're allergic or not. Some people are more sensitive to it than others, but aspirin is most definitely a toxin. It can just have short term anti-inflammatory and analgesic effects, which is why people believe it to be good. But the human body has a limited tolerance for it. That's why it exists in plants - as a natural pesticide.

Carnation

Sandy, what is this book?

SandyDown

Its called 'Persistent Fat and How to Lose it'

Its an old book published in the eighties, DH got it from a second hand book sale - he got it for his own research but thought I may be interested in it Roll Eyes

but I think his intentions were good, he just knows how much reading I do about such subjects Laugh

http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/goddin/010570.shtml

SandyDown

Red, thanks, do you have a reference to any publications/research on the aspirin allergy thing? it would be good to show to my DH.

adwred

There's actually a whole thread dedicated to it in the Research and Resources forum, called 'Failsafe Resource Thread'.

SandyDown

thanks Red, but was hoping for a more scientific publications, can't see my DH getting convinced with stuff put on a web site called plants are poison and rotton Laugh

adwred

Have you even looked at the site? Not to mention, there are other resources listed there.

ReddyMcMeaty

you can lead a horse to water... but they're usually illiterate. or something of that nature

adwred

Nice to know that I put all that time into creating such a detailed thread (with references!) for nothing.

ReddyMcMeaty

Not for nothing! Unless my saving my sons lives, my life, and our family is nothing. And Carnation's debilitating pain was nothing. And all of the people who dismiss me as insane, er I mean help by passing the information on to as well.....

SandyDown

i did look at it Red a while ago not recently, and thanks again gor compiling the information, I am and others are grateful am sure, only as I explained, the problem is not with you or the site, its DH, he is stubborn like that, and I know he wont look at any site like that... as I said he's been treating patients with salicylate allergy for years, but he doesn't agree everyone is affected by them.. guess we need accept other's opinions sometimes without taking it personally.

Carnation

I don't need any stinking research (I guess I'm with bear and his black box theory on this one). My own experience was enough to erase any doubt I had that such a thing exists. It was very hard to give up spices and my lemon lotion, but it has made all the difference in my life, no more cramps, no more stiffness in my hands. Thanks again, red.

adwred

The site (which by the way its not called 'plants are poison and rotton (sic)', but 'Plant poisons and rotten stuff', which is in reference to the natural toxins in plants (plant poisons) and in aged foods (rotten stuff).

But if you bothered to actually look at the site (not to mention the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital Allergy Unit site, which is affiliated with the leading university in allergy research and the 'Fed Up with Food Additives' site, which has thousands of both scientific and anecdotal references - which are both referenced in the thread, among many others), you'd see it's plenty scientific. And her blog, which is linked to her site references, literally, hundreds of scientific studies.

adwred

Thank you, C. and Reddy. And don't worry, I'll never give up nagging about Failsafe, no matter how hard it is to convince people. It's way too important. And C. I'm with you - I don't need any studies anymore, either, after experiencing what I have. It helped in the beginning, but now I'm so sold on it from experience, that I don't care if they came out with a study saying aspirin caused acute supermodel-itis.

Carnation

First laugh all day, thank you. Acute supermodel-itis!

copychick

i've gotten tremendous benefit from red's input and resources on plant chemicals.

but even if you don't look at any research, it is common knowledge that plants defend themselves via inherent poisons that are toxic to the things that try to eat them. just because a plant poison doesn't give you an obvious rash or cause prompt death like some do, it doesn't mean it is not having a more subtle but harmful effect.

SandyDown

Thanks again all, I am really glad you all have been able to find that your aspirin allergy is the culprit for many of your health issues, nice to hear you cured yourselves.

As for me for the time being am going to continue having my peppermint tea and strawberries with cream - what can I say, as Meg put it earlier, if she’s GOT to have her coffee, I WANT to have my strawberries and peppermint tea (as well as dairy Laugh

). Hope you understand and accept our difference in opinion.

btw: I also found out that red meat flares my skin, any ideas? it can't be aspirin? what could it be with red meat that causing my skin to flare? and yes, mostly I was eating organic grass fed red meat.

adwred

Are you for real?

SandyDown

adwred

I say 'are you for real' because first you condescend about our 'aspirin allergy' and continually belittle us for believing that yes, vegetables and fruit might be harmful... say you're unwilling to ever give up strawberries and peppermint tea and then proceed go on to ask for our help about your skin flare ups?? You do realize that skin flare ups of pretty much every kind are caused by food chemicals? So is bitchiness, which makes you an ideal candidate for food chemical intolerance. Roll Eyes

OK, Sandy, I'm going to try to ignore how nasty YOU have been and help you here.

You cannot determine food sensitivities without doing an elimination diet. This is all laid out in the links I've provided, by the way. There is no possible way to say that 'red meat gives you skin flare ups' without doing a proper elimination diet, which you refuse to do.

So sorry, but until you're willing to open your mind, we can't help you here.

By mate. Wave

ReddyMcMeaty

I'm just going to say that you can deny food chemicals all you want but you can't know until you try. It's very easy to dismiss because you don't want to put the effort into it, I did it for long enough. You can also pretend it's something else all you want to people who don't know a thing about food chemicals, but it's like someone living on potatoes, bread, noodles and burger king saying "It's these damned fries. I know I'd be find if I just ate chicken sandwiches and stuck to low fat sauce for the noodles, but it's the deep fried food making me fat." There is more to it than that.

Carnation

Sandy- it's unfortunate that you've taken this attitude toward red. She, more than anyone here, has gone out of her way to help and support people in so many ways. There are more than just a handful of us here who have benefitted from awareness of food chemical sensitivities, and it is not just our opinion that such things affect our bodies.

adwred

The sad thing is that no one benefits from these food chemicals, despite popular belief to the contrary. The fact that we are having reactions and others aren't means that we are just more sensitive to the harm that's being done because our bodies can't detoxify these compounds as easily, for genetic reasons. But the fact that these compounds have to be detoxified is a huge indication that limiting them is a good idea. It's not like salicylates are good for some and bad for others. Our bodies just happen to shout more loudly.

Paul · toxins in body fat

Hello,

I wanted to comment on an earlier post about toxins in fat tissue. A few years ago, I read one of Roy Walford's books - he was one of the major proponents of caloric restriction for longevity, and was the physician member of the Biosphere 2 project. Due to complications that I don't remember, the Biosphere inhabitants were unable to produce as much food as planned, so they lived for a long period on a semi-starvation diet.

Walford carefully monitored and tested himself and his colleges during their entire stay inside the Biosphere, and noted a sharp rise in levels of pesticides and other toxic substances in their blood as they lost weight. For most of our lives, our bodies have expediently stored difficult-to-process toxins in our fat cells, to safely store them, but as fat melts off, quite large doses of these substances can get dumped back into our blood quite quickly.

Walford was an advocate of losing weight very slowly - I believe he recommended about a pound per week - to avoid sudden surges of these stored toxins and to give the body time to deal with them.

I often think about this when I read of people losing tens or even hundreds of pounds very rapidly. I wonder if some of the complications, plateaus, etc. that people experience may be at least partly due to unexpected doses of some fairly nasty chemicals.

I couldn't find a good article about this, but here's one that at least addresses the issue:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_3_166/ai_n6144024

- Paul

Carnation

Thanks, Paul. I find it especially interesting since I'm in the 100+ (lost)club.

Avalon

Yes, something I never thought about. I must be pretty freak'n polluted!

I guess I definitely have to give up coffee

toxins in body fat