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bigsea

Ground beef how safe to eat raw?

I love ground beef i eat lots of it everyday and ive been getting closer to full raw. i usually sear the outside and the inside is pretty much all raw soon i'll be eating it all raw. i get that ground beef can be harmful because the bacteria is mixed round i trust my body that its strong to fight off the bacteria. any reason i shouldn't eat it raw?
Avalon

If you listen to any "normal" heh heh people, YES! You're at risk for e-coli infection! And you could get seriously ill and DIE!

If you listen to Aajonus Vonderplanitz, who apparently will eat market ground beef, you'll be fine. And that we all have a certain amount of e-coli already. And that if you get parasites, it could be beneficial.

Sally Fallon recommends freezing meat for two weeks to kill any parasites. I'm not sure if that does in the e-coli as welll.

I have and do eat raw ground beef as tartar with a yolk on top! God I love that! Though Ideally it should be grass fed beef, or buffalo. If it isn't organic, which is so difficult to find you risk the antibiotic/hormone scenario. I think Whole Foods has good beef? Yes? I don't live near one Cry

You could buy a hunk of Chuck Steak and grind your own, which would minimize your bacteria toll. Bacteria toll??? A small food processor from Goodwill would do the trick nicely. And cheaply!

Best wishes,
Avalon

Happy
unintelligible

I've been eating raw supermarket ground beef on an almost daily basis for over a half year now. Maybe I just have an iron gut, or perhaps the disease risk is hogwash.
ReddyMcMeaty

i'd love to be brave enough to eat raw supermarket ground beef!!! If i eat it raw though i grind it myself, or have the butcher do it. Maybe one day..when i'm not pregnant or nursing....
bigsea

I trust you unintelligble. I will keep eating my ground beef raw it tastes amazing like that
ReddyMcMeaty

I think it is true that the more often you expose yourself to various bacteria the more easily your body can handle them. In another thread somewhere, at least I think it was another thread and not an article, there was an idea being tossed around about strong HCL being a good indicator for becing able to handle various bacterias.. for example a dog chewing on a raw bone with flesh on it that has been around for weeks.
Avalon

Actually, that brings up High Meat. Anyone ever eat High Meat? Aged in the frige? Kinda spoiled and rotten?

I don't know what it would take for me to eat it that way Wow Really in love or really Drunk! Laugh
nick

How can you call the risk of e coli hogwash unintelligible? I have heard of people getting sick and dying because of e coli from undercooked hamburgers.
newcreation

nick wrote:
How can you call the risk of e coli hogwash unintelligible? I have heard of people getting sick and dying because of e coli from undercooked hamburgers.


I've also heard of people getting sick from e-coli from eating vegetables.
Avalon

It's the young and elderly whose imune systems may not be full throttle, are the ones more at risk.
nick

Avalon wrote:
It's the young and elderly whose imune systems may not be full throttle, are the ones more at risk.


This 17 year old got really sick from it:

When I was 17, I came down with e-coli poisoning after ingesting raw hamburger and spent a week in the hospital followed by six months on mega-antibiotics. No joke, it almost killed me (kidneys filled with bacteria). Since then, I only eat hamburger cooked, never raw again. E-coli is nothing to mess around with. A couple years ago, two people died from eating tainted hamburger sold at a nearby supermarket. Shaws held a recall of ALL their hamburger sold just after that happened, and I took the packages I'd bought back to the store where they refunded me.

I read it here http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread205326/pg2

By the way, does anyone know what the odds of a cow being infected with harmful e coli are?
the_individualist

nick wrote:
Avalon wrote:
It's the young and elderly whose imune systems may not be full throttle, are the ones more at risk.


This 17 year old got really sick from it:

When I was 17, I came down with e-coli poisoning after ingesting raw hamburger and spent a week in the hospital followed by six months on mega-antibiotics. No joke, it almost killed me (kidneys filled with bacteria). Since then, I only eat hamburger cooked, never raw again. E-coli is nothing to mess around with. A couple years ago, two people died from eating tainted hamburger sold at a nearby supermarket. Shaws held a recall of ALL their hamburger sold just after that happened, and I took the packages I'd bought back to the store where they refunded me.

I read it here http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread205326/pg2

By the way, does anyone know what the odds of a cow being infected with harmful e coli are?


When I first went carnivore, I ate rare (raw on the inside) ground beef every day for aout two months- I was ok, but maybe I was just lucky. I don't eat ground beef anymore, though. What part of the country do you live in Nick?
nick

the_individualist wrote:
nick wrote:
Avalon wrote:
It's the young and elderly whose imune systems may not be full throttle, are the ones more at risk.


This 17 year old got really sick from it:

When I was 17, I came down with e-coli poisoning after ingesting raw hamburger and spent a week in the hospital followed by six months on mega-antibiotics. No joke, it almost killed me (kidneys filled with bacteria). Since then, I only eat hamburger cooked, never raw again. E-coli is nothing to mess around with. A couple years ago, two people died from eating tainted hamburger sold at a nearby supermarket. Shaws held a recall of ALL their hamburger sold just after that happened, and I took the packages I'd bought back to the store where they refunded me.

I read it here http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread205326/pg2

By the way, does anyone know what the odds of a cow being infected with harmful e coli are?


When I first went carnivore, I ate rare (raw on the inside) ground beef every day for aout two months- I was ok, but maybe I was just lucky. I don't eat ground beef anymore, though. What part of the country do you live in Nick?



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Avalon

Hey nick, You wrote:
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By the way, does anyone know what the odds of a cow being infected with harmful e coli are?

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/SS197

http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/video/Ecoli.html

Most strains they, say, are harmless and we have some in our intestines. I found this on a forum:
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Cattle have a particular strain of E. coli that lives in them naturally and symbiotically, as do humans. However, the strain that lives in cows is dangerous to humans. The most well-known and studied is O157:H7. It also happens to be the organism that I'm doing my research on. In healthy adults this bacteria usually only causes "normal" food poisoning symptoms that we are all familiar with. In children, people over 60, or immunocompromised people this bacterium can easily cause death. It is estimated that it only requires 5 microbes to cause the illness and there are literally billions if not trillions inside each cow's gut. Due to unsanitary practices during slaughter, bacteria from the intestines are often spread onto the meat being removed for consumption. As someone mentioned before, this risk is much higher in ground beef than steak, but if the steak isn't treated at all (either by cooking, salting or another means) it can pose just as great a risk.


What if the bottom line is we are too antiseptic? Too many antibiotics. Sterilize! Sterilize! Sounds like a Dr.Who Episode! If we are too scared away from getting the least bit soiled, out bodies will never be able to fight off a thing.

Raise Shields!
Tai

i had raw ground meat a few times when i first started this thing as well, but i find cuts taste a whole lot better. it's easier to control how much fat you're getting with cuts as well Smile
fabshelly

I eat raw ground beef, and love it.
It's hard to find it, though, without all the yummy fat stripped from it. Don't even try Costco in CA anymore. Sigh...

Now spinach....that's e coli on a plate!
Cavemate K

fabshelly wrote:

Now spinach....that's e coli on a plate!


Welcome to California! Wink

K
elenarose

I thought of eating my ground beef raw but I got really freaked out...i'm just too scared, I seem to get food poisoning a lot even from cooked meat. Well I just made meat balls and they may have been pink in the centre ish, now the paranoia sets in...
elenarose

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By the way, does anyone know what the odds of a cow being infected with harmful e coli are?


It comes from contamination in the slaughter house I think, which is why you get it on veggies as well. I think it's the same for salmonella etc.
golooraam

Yummers!

unintelligible wrote:
I've been eating raw supermarket ground beef on an almost daily basis for over a half year now. Maybe I just have an iron gut, or perhaps the disease risk is hogwash.


What I do is I buy the same beef I always bought, either the grassfed grnd at TJoes or the equivalent or higher at Whole Foods and freeze it for a few days, and it's all good

Sometimes though I don't get a chance to freeze it...

my favorite is buying a chuck roast and having them grind it

so far so good, it is delicious, I can barely eat it cooked anymore, and this is only after a week or so Smile
adwred

See, I only like raw ground beef if it's hand minced, like tartare. Something about the grinding process completely obliterating the meat that turns me off. I actually like it much better if it's just sliced thinly, like carpaccio. It's all about the texture, for me. The more texture and less mushy it is, the more likely I am to enjoy it.
Avalon

I've heard freezing kills parasites, but does freezing kill e coli?
adwred

No, it doesn't. Nor does it kill salmonella. But, again, I wonder how much a high fat, carnivorous diet is protective against bad bacteria. I feel like the more carnivorous you become, the most like an animal you are, in that you can sense what meat is OK and what meat isn't. If I put down meat for my cat and she doesn't want it, then I know there is something wrong with it or it's too old. She just knows by the smell, even when I can't detect it.
Avalon

Interesting adwred. Which brings up a good question- can one smell e-coli? What about high meat though, I'm sure that doesn't smell very good. I wonder if they have done blind taste tests on the taste and smell of e-coli.
elenarose

I've had food poisoning 3 times since starting carnivory. Cry Cry Cry Each time I wanted to commit suicide!!! I make a crappy carnivore though...

Interesting how your cat knows when to avoid meat. I've been feeding my dog this mince and he really dislikes it...yet it's food grade.
Cavemate K

elenarose wrote:
I've had food poisoning 3 times since starting carnivory. Cry Cry Cry


How much were you cooking your meat then? If I had my drothers, I'd go all raw, since I feel the best on it. OTOH, I'm still admittedly a little nervous about eating raw meat... like I'm playing Russian Roulette or something.
adwred

I've gotten sick from cooked meat dozens of times in my life, but never once from undercooked or raw meat. Cooked meat goes bad very quickly. Ugh, I shudder to even think about those times. I was a very adventurous eater as a kid and had a few run-ins with mysterious restaurant food that had been sitting under heat lamps... Oh and there was the time I had Indian food for the first time (when I was 7 years old). Laugh Oh boy! Somehow, it didn't scare me away, thankfully. I still love Indian. Now, I have a better sense of what and what not to eat and what sources to trust, especially having worked in restaurants, myself.
jl53563

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I've gotten sick from cooked meat dozens of times in my life, but never once from undercooked or raw meat. Cooked meat goes bad very quickly
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I wonder if raw meat has some sort of enzyme or something that slows down the spoiling process. Cooking could destroy such an enzyme, thus making cooked meat spoil faster. Just a thought.
elenarose

Although i've had 3 full out death diarrhea food poisoning on all meat, i've had more upset stomach and things and loads of diarrhea as well. I don't know if it was bugs everytime but I have real gut issues anyway. I cooked most my meat except beef and lamb which I would sometimes eat raw. First time was off undercooked lamb, second was raw beef and the most recently was a dodgy egg which was soft cooked.

Don't use me as a guide I have a very very sensitive digestive system...
Cavemate K

adwred wrote:
Cooked meat goes bad very quickly.


About how long is it okay to eat cooked meat at room temperature? I used to often leave cooked meat on the counter in the morning and eat it at around 6 PM that evening. It was at work where I didn't always have access to refrigeration.
elenarose

Cooked meat shouldn't stay out the fridge more than 2 hours.

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