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Benzito171

exercise, electrolyte imbalance, and ketosis

Hey guys, haven't been on here in a while but glad to see this site is still up and running. I'm still going strong on the zero carb and still on the same plateu after losing 125 lbs. and I'm hovering around 300, but thats not my issue right now. I've been in ketosis and not taking any supplements for 18 months with no problems until about a month ago. Now I get random muscle ticks or twitches, especially when I'm sleepy or dehydrated. I've also had a couple bouts of tinnitus in one ear. I'm not sure exactly what caused this because I made 3 major changes at the same time. I started exercising with the rowing team so I do a lot of running around and sweating buckets. I also quit smoking pot. And I changed my sleep schedule because I need to be up at 4 in the morning every day to row. I just saw my doc yesterday and he says it may be an electrolyte issue, which would make sense, but I'm awaiting my test results on that. I'm just wondering if any of you had to overcome anything similar and what you would recommend I do. Should I start popping multis or drink smart water, or do I  just need more water or more salty food. I eat 100% meat eggs cheese and butter, 0% carbs and fruits and veg. Raw grass fed mostly.
cabalco

Hi,

i think it is the cheese. Too much sodium and calcium, perhaps you just need potassium and magnesium. Drinking more is a bad idea in my opinion.

greets
Avalon

Hey there,

Sorry to hear about the problems. I sympathize on the tinnitus. About a month ago my ears started ringing. Mainly my right, but some in my left and it hasn't gone away. Sometimes I forget it's there if i have the tv on, but no fun for sure.

Hope you figure out what's going on,

Avalon
Carnation

I agree about the potassium and magnesium (though, I've no expertise in the subject).  You can get potassium from just a small dash of potassium salt (is it called No Salt?), which is sold in the regular grocery store.  And any time I hear about muscle problems, I think magnesium.  Perhaps a nice epsom salt bath would feel good after your rowing?
ReddyMcMeaty

When I hit a certain point of exhaustion I start twitching.  It's really extreme though..
steve198329

I had the same problem. Musle twitching heart flutters and severe cramping. Magnesium cures the problem very quickly. Potassium never did anything for me and even made we weak, tired, and sleepy. I emailed Bear about this problem and even he also supplements with magnesium but not daily like I do. You should definetly try it. I am almost sure it will fix your problems and if it doesn't it wouldn't hurt anyway. Just make sure you also take calcium with it in a ratio of about 1:1 or even 2:1 calcium to magnesium.

The thing that pisses me off about this is that if an all meat diet has no deficiencies then why do I need to supplement and why does Bear need to supplement. Paleolithic people did not supplement so there has to be something that we are all overlooking. I keep thinking that it has to do something with animal blood. Blood is drained from the animal and there is no meat nowadays that contains blood. Blood is a vital component of every tissue and is eaten by the masai and Inuit as well. There has to be something else to the diet besides eating meat and fat. I know there is something I am missing.
steve198329

I forgot to mention that I also added unrefined Celtic Sea salt to my diet and this also helped.
adwred

steve198329 wrote:
I had the same problem. Musle twitching heart flutters and severe cramping. Magnesium cures the problem very quickly. Potassium never did anything for me and even made we weak, tired, and sleepy. I emailed Bear about this problem and even he also supplements with magnesium but not daily like I do. You should definetly try it. I am almost sure it will fix your problems and if it doesn't it wouldn't hurt anyway. Just make sure you also take calcium with it in a ratio of about 1:1 or even 2:1 calcium to magnesium.

The thing that pisses me off about this is that if an all meat diet has no deficiencies then why do I need to supplement and why does Bear need to supplement. Paleolithic people did not supplement so there has to be something that we are all overlooking. I keep thinking that it has to do something with animal blood. Blood is drained from the animal and there is no meat nowadays that contains blood. Blood is a vital component of every tissue and is eaten by the masai and Inuit as well. There has to be something else to the diet besides eating meat and fat. I know there is something I am missing.


I agree. No culture has ever survived (or tried to survive) on nothing but muscle meat and fat. Why do that to yourself, anyway?

Black pudding is one of my favourites!
Benzito171

thanks guys. I guess I'm relieved this is not a common problem here. Now I can stop contemplating carb reintroduction. I feel like I should have dropped the rest of the weight before starting any sports. My knee is already starting to mess up from landing jumps poorly. And now this. My shirt gets totally soaked after an hour of activity so that must be excreting something that I'm not replacing fast enough. I can't do gatorade so I'm gonna buy a few cases of smartwater with the electrolytes and see how next week feels. I know what you are talking about, red, with the exhaustion twitch. My calf locked up from that the first time I had to go around the track a few times, its not a cramp just a serious twitch. Maybe I'll avoid the cheese and get back to fundamentals. I know its no good. For those of you struggling with your last few or few dozen pounds, I would not recommend aerobic exercise. Water fasting or even intermittent fasting is much more effective and safe. as long as you stay inactive and stay in ketosis when you eat you won't lose much protein and the fat will fly off and stay off.
Benzito171

Yea, that makes sense, steve. I kind of put that out of my mind so I wouldn't feel guilty about having the same steaks and burgers day in and day out. Now where can I get some fresh blood soaked organ meats without doing my own hunting. I'll do anything to avoid supplementing. It just makes you feel like this whole theory on health and evolution is not entirely valid and I've put too much into this to let that happen.
Kristi31

I'm thinking that magnesium supplementation should help and the reason why is because, in my opinion, the dairy+eggs is somewhat disturbing the calcium:magnesium ratio, calcium being too high in relation to magnesium. I think if you ditch dairy and eggs, you won't need magnesium. Just meat and water.

Check this thread in the livinglowcarb forum.
http://www.livinlowcarbdiscussion...howthread.php?tid=1457&page=1

Also, I don't believe an all-meat diet needs any supplementation at all. Stick with fatty meat and water and you'll be fine. Charles and a few others (now including myself who has finally solved their gallbladder problem or almost!) do not take any supplements and follow an all-meat diet. Charles does half-marathons and is perfectly healthy and fine. I've been also doing some intense workout lately and no problems. Suzanne exercises daily, she is thin and in good health as shown by her latest visit to her doctor.

Take care.
Trem

steve198329 wrote:


The thing that pisses me off about this is that if an all meat diet has no deficiencies then why do I need to supplement and why does Bear need to supplement. Paleolithic people did not supplement so there has to be something that we are all overlooking. I keep thinking that it has to do something with animal blood. Blood is drained from the animal and there is no meat nowadays that contains blood. Blood is a vital component of every tissue and is eaten by the masai and Inuit as well. There has to be something else to the diet besides eating meat and fat. I know there is something I am missing.


...and even Bear tells people there are no deficiencies in meat. Good call on the blood.
Benzito171

hey thanks, kristi, that was a great link there but she encourages the eggs and cheese. Do you have any info on how the eggs are affecting me, I already know the dairy is no good. How is montreal, I miss living there its a different world from ny. I got banned from canada 3 years ago for a stupid dui and I have another 2 left before I'm allowed back. breakfast at chez cora after partying all night was the best.
adwred

Shock
cabalco

Hi again,

i know that some parts of beef, pork and chicken contain big amounts of magnesium. Pork steak (i do not know the exactly part in english) has about 60mg / 100g. Perhaps, due to wrong feeding, today the meat has not enough magnesium in it.
Benzito171

toronto is nice too, many of my friends were from there
Kristi31

Give me a shout in 2 years, k? We'll have breakfast at Chez Cora. Yup...I remember those days too, were fun, weren't they?

I can't tell you more about the eggs, just to try to ditch them for awhile and see what happens. Give it a few weeks and let us know how it all works out. Good luck.
jl53563

Drinking too much water can cause problems as well.  With excessive water, electrolytes can become diluted.  We should drink only to thirst.

I used to get leg pain and cramps when running.  Since reducing my water intake, this no longer occurs.
steve198329

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I never eat dairy and rarely eat eggs and I still need to supplement magnesium.

Drinking less water has helped but still soes not eliminate the problem for me. I never force myself to drink and I am never thirsty on this diet anyway.
steve198329

By the way the Inuit sis not limit their water intake and drank alot of water.

Here is a direct quote from Vilhjalmur Steffanson:

"Also we came home to a dwelling so heated by the cooking that the temperature would range from 85* to 100*F. or perhaps even higher - more like our idea of a Turkish bath than a warm room. Streams of perspiration would run down our bodies, and the children were kept busy going back and forth with dippers of cold water of which we naturally drank great quantities."

you can find this passage in the sticky link at the top of the forum.
Benzito171

I'll give you a shout for sure when I'm back up there, kristi, thanks for the invite. I decided to take a week off of the exercise and sure enough, all problems vanished. So this week I will try hydrating with electrolytes and if the problems return I may just quit the team and go back to lifting. waking up at 4 in the morning for a 40 minute commute wasn't much fun anyway.
jl53563

steve198329 wrote:
By the way the Inuit sis not limit their water intake and drank alot of water.

Here is a direct quote from Vilhjalmur Steffanson:

"Also we came home to a dwelling so heated by the cooking that the temperature would range from 85* to 100*F. or perhaps even higher - more like our idea of a Turkish bath than a warm room. Streams of perspiration would run down our bodies, and the children were kept busy going back and forth with dippers of cold water of which we naturally drank great quantities."

you can find this passage in the sticky link at the top of the forum.
Well naturally if a person is constantly in excessive heat with sweat runnng down their body, they are going to need to replace those fluids.  In that situation, I'm sure they got thirsty.  Like I said, drink to thirst.  Wink

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