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ReddyMcMeaty

diarreah diet (kids)

Just want to get some opinions before I go ahead and make my own choices Smile

The kids (3 years, 18 mos) have had the runs for a week now.   The shit is identical and smells the same.  They're acting totally fine otherwise, there was no fever etc.   My husband brought the littlest (who is still breastfeeding as well) to the doc and he said he thinks it was a stomach virus which irritated their intestines to the point that now they're just not absorbing their food.

His recommendation was to pretty much feed them just dry food, things like dry pretzles and saltines, and the typical German diarrea food of  raw grated apples and carrots.  No fat.  Then in a few days give them a serving of fatty meat and kraut and the rest of the day the dry food.. then if all is well do 2 servings of the meaty stuff and phase out the dry.

First of all we don't do gluten, with good reason.  Second of all, I imagine raw carrots and apples are irritating, especially to kids who don't even really eat much of them anyway.  The older one likes apples, but in both of them carrots go through unchanged.

Any ideas?  Their normal diet includes a lot of 10% fat yogurt, some fatty quark, plenty of raw yolks, some cooked egg, chicken thighs, rice and potatoes and tons of butter.   A little cheese, apple, ricecakes.   The food is just going straight through them  Sad
Glennart

Activated charcoal tabs?
cabalco

Perhaps add some refined coconut fat and / or s. boulardii (a friendly yeast), mushed potatoes with lots of butter.
kansasdeb

Re: diarreah diet (kids)

ReddyMcMeaty wrote:
Just want to get some opinions before I go ahead and make my own choices Smile

The kids (3 years, 18 mos) have had the runs for a week now.   The shit is identical and smells the same.  They're acting totally fine otherwise, there was no fever etc.   My husband brought the littlest (who is still breastfeeding as well) to the doc and he said he thinks it was a stomach virus which irritated their intestines to the point that now they're just not absorbing their food.

His recommendation was to pretty much feed them just dry food, things like dry pretzles and saltines, and the typical German diarrea food of  raw grated apples and carrots.  No fat.  Then in a few days give them a serving of fatty meat and kraut and the rest of the day the dry food.. then if all is well do 2 servings of the meaty stuff and phase out the dry.

First of all we don't do gluten, with good reason.  Second of all, I imagine raw carrots and apples are irritating, especially to kids who don't even really eat much of them anyway.  The older one likes apples, but in both of them carrots go through unchanged.

Any ideas?  Their normal diet includes a lot of 10% fat yogurt, some fatty quark, plenty of raw yolks, some cooked egg, chicken thighs, rice and potatoes and tons of butter.   A little cheese, apple, ricecakes.   The food is just going straight through them  Sad


This is what I found on http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diarrhea/,National Digestive Diseases Clearing House. Seems sound advice to me. I don't think dry foods would be the best advice.


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Tips About Food

Until diarrhea subsides, try to avoid caffeine, milk products, and foods that are greasy, high in fiber, or very sweet. These foods tend to aggravate diarrhea.

As you improve, you can add soft, bland foods to your diet, including bananas, plain rice, boiled potatoes, toast, crackers, cooked carrots, and baked chicken without the skin or fat. For children, the pediatrician may also recommend a bland diet. Once the diarrhea has stopped, the pediatrician will likely encourage children to return to a normal and healthy diet if it can be tolerated.
adwred

Rice and bananas and plain cooked potatoes are really good for absorption and for not instigating more diarrhea. See if they can tolerate those three things and then move on, once the virus has passed? I agree with reducing fat, since fat stimulates the bowels. Definitely no dairy! Diarrhea washes away lactase, so usually people temporarily become lactose intolerant for a short period after having diarrhea. I'd ease dairy back in slowly after they're tolerating everything else well.
ReddyMcMeaty

Thanks guys!!  that goes along with what I've read too..  I'm off to pick up some food for them.
Galeron

Have you considered that their body's are not yet finished removing the remnants and toxins of the viral infection?

Many times people are alarmed by diarrhea as a purely bad sign, but in fact the opposite is usually true.  It could be indicative of a healing reaction in response to removal of the effects of the virus and its death brought on by the children's immune systems.

The body induces diarrhea as method of removing unwanted materials and pathogens from the body.

One might argue that trying to 'stop up' the pipes and cease the diarrhea would actually be counteractive to what the body is attempting to accomplish naturally.

I fully realize my opinions usually vary greatly from most, but I wanted to share my alternative perspective on the situation, being a bit of a "D" queen myself.

Good luck and health to your children!
Galeron

adwred wrote:
Rice and bananas and plain cooked potatoes are really good for absorption and for not instigating more diarrhea.

Speaking from the perspective of an individual with intestinal disease, these foods (other than well ripened banana) would actually work the best to initiate diarrhea; However, I recognize that these usually seem to work the opposite for those without serious intestinal complications and tend to reduce the severity of diarrhea - I wish this were true for me!

I personally would focus primarily on the well ripened banana, as if diarrhea and rapid transit are still an issue, the banana will breakdown more completely and facilitate more complete absorption than the starches, since the starches consist of more complex polysaccharides and require more breakdown than the single and di-saccharides in foods like well ripened banana.

I definitely agree with Red's recommendations to lower fat, as it is the strongest stimulator of the intestinal and colonic gastrocolic reflex, inducing diarrhea if things are too stimulated.
Galeron

cabalco wrote:
Perhaps add some refined coconut fat and / or s. boulardii (a friendly yeast), mushed potatoes with lots of butter.

I think most of here know that addition of coconut oil is probably one of the better ways, again, to induce more rapid intestinal transit and possibly diarrhea, 1) because of the extremely high salicylate content that can irritate mucous membranes in the intestinal tract, and 2) because cocnout oil is known for its laxative effect, and 3) the coconut oil could potentially produce some degree of viral or other pathogen die-off that could end up increasing diarrhea as a detoxification reaction.
cabalco

Does refined coconut fat have sals in it? It does not have a taste..

However, 1 week diarrhea is too long. In my book from Marc Pimentel "IBS a new solution" he writes that infectious diarrhea, which lasts more than 2-3 days often leads to continous IBS. From this standpoint and with my todays knowledge, if i were in this situation i would add coconut fat, probiotics and do a very strict low carb diet. A flu can destroy many enzymes, which are needed for digestion for days or even weeks, so perhaps complex carbs are bad, fruktose and laktose perhaps too. I think Galeron is right with his standpoint that the body has to detox, but 1 week is much to long. Seems like the kids can not fight the virus, otherwise if it is a virus perhaps a low carb diet would not help...
ReddyMcMeaty

TAlking to other mums.. it might be rotavirus.  Man, these things suck when they're in your kids instead of yourself.
Jaybird

And I'm sorry to report, when my kids had the rotavirus it lasted for almost  2 weeks!  Shock #1 is to keep them well hydrated. I think 1 1/2 weeks is typical for it. You can add binding foods if you'd like but they are still going to get some nutrition from whatever they eat so if they have an appetite for it, let them eat what they normally do. It's probably just at the tail end now, thank goodness!
Galeron

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You can add binding foods if you'd like but they are still going to get some nutrition from whatever they eat so if they have an appetite for it, let them eat what they normally do.

Agreed.  And as I noted previously, adding the binding foods may not really be that great of an idea as commonly advocated for.

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