Aajonus Vonderplanitz

ReddyMcMeaty · Aajonus Vonderplanitz

Just some links to some info about him.. easier than writing my own stuff

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/rvaf-overview.html
http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/index.htm
http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html

Quick overview of his FAT LOSS plan

-Drink one cup of green veg. juices
-When very hungry (but not in a stupor or angry hungry) eat 2-3 golfball sized amounts of meat with 1tsp of raw fat..raw butter is recommended
-When next very hungry eat 2-3 golfball sized pieces of raw meat with 1tsp of raw fat
-when next hungry drink 1 cup green veg. juices
-next hungry eat 1-2 eggs Rocky style
-WHen next hungry eat 2 golfball sized amounts of meat without fat

That is one cycle, if the day is not over start the cycle over. Eat as many cycles in the day as necessary to NOT eat any other food. Also recommended is to drink 1 cup raw milk before a long sleep period to "help relax and calm nerves. If no raw milk is available drink a blend of 2oz raw coconut cream, 4 oz coconut milk and 1 teaspoon fresh lime juice."

The juice reci[e is 1.5 tbs unheated honey per quart, 1/2 small lemon or lime with rind per 3 quarts.. the juice shouldbe 80% celery, 18% parsley, 2% lemon

Carolyn · parasites/trich

I'm reading Aajonus' book The recipe for living without disease. on page
172, he writes about Joel Weinstock, a gastroenterologist who gave the eggs
of Trichurissuis to six patients with IBD. 5 out of 6 entered remission. the
article below says it helped all 6 of them (if the article is referring to
the same study).

www.planetc1.com/cgi-bin/n/v.cgi?c=1&id=1148138624
Chiropractic News
May 20, 2006

Medicine, Worms and Dirt
By Darrel Crain, DC

Your prescription is ready Mrs. Jones, fresh intestinal whipworm eggs
straight from the pig!

This type of medicine may sound rather unorthodox, but scientists testing
this unusual treatment on six human patients with inflammatory bowel disease
found that it helped every one of them.

Take two tablespoons of dirt and call me in the morning. That may sound like
a bit of a stretch, but then again, mud pies may one day be squeezed into
the five food groups. The hygiene hypothesis is gaining ground, folks, so if
you think your health is worth fighting for, get ready to fight dirty!
Modern medicine has always held that we get sick because of something we
catch, or something we ate, inhaled, or were exposed to in some other way.

Of course, this is the popular germ theory which states that germs cause
disease. Those of us brought up on the germ theory know to constantly wage
war on germs. Kill everything! Disinfect! Sanitize! Good. Now go wash your
hands.

American industry answered our war cries by inventing at least 739 bazillion
ways to massacre germs using antibacterial soaps, lotions, cleansers,
sprays, toys, mattresses and even computer screens. Warnings in the medical
literature that these products do nothing to reduce infection, but only
contribute to new and scary strains of drug-resistant bacteria, have been
lost in the germ war frenzy.

The hygiene hypothesis is a fairly new school of thought that turns the fear
of germs on its proverbial head. We should, instead, get friendly with
microbes and let them go up our collective noses, in this approach. This
view argues that early exposure to a wide variety of microbes is a good
thing, permitting a growing child's immune system to develop and build up
immune response "muscle."

If the germ theory leads down a white, sterilized hallway, the hygiene
hypothesis seems to lead down a dusty old dirt road. Researchers have long
noticed an important difference in children who attend daycare at a very
young age, as well as children who live with many brothers and sisters, or
on a farm. All of them develop less asthma, hay fever, allergies, eczema,
and other atopic diseases than do other children.

"Sickness is the vengeance of nature for the violation of her laws," wrote
Charles Simmons. But lack of exposure to germs is only half the problem,
leaving as it does, one leg of our immune system without enough to do, while
the other leg gets too much stimulation. This chronically triggers an
inappropriate response of the immune system to produce all the allergy
stuff, such as histamines, mucus floods and inflammation.

Tragically, several common medical practices seem to be substantial
contributors to this problem. Antibiotics, antipyretics (fever-lowering
drugs), and even some vaccines have been shown to significantly raise the
risk of asthma and the other atopic disorders. Autoimmune responses, such
as multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease and
even Type I diabetes are on the list of disorders that may be caused, at
least in part, by exposure to common medical interventions.

A recent study from Sweden published in the medical journal Lancet found
that children in the families they studied who avoid antibiotics and
vaccinations have fewer allergies than do other children. "Half the modern
drugs could well be thrown out the window, except that the birds might eat
them," wrote Martin Fischer. In our zeal to treat acute symptoms, we have
become effective at suppressing robust expression of immune responses to
normal childhood illness, including all the uncomfortable but productive
symptoms of a healing crisis that would otherwise yield permanent immunity.

The hygiene hypothesis leads to some intriguing, perhaps shocking
conclusions. Do you suppose nature intended all those kids to get all those
colds at daycare and have all those fevers? One might conclude that Mother
Nature herself wants us all to have a bout of chicken pox, the measles, and
yes, even the mumps while we're still
young. In return we get permanent and non-toxic immunity. We also get to
pump
up our immune muscles and promote appropriate immune responses. I have
personally observed the scraped knee of a three-year-old heal just as
quickly and well as the knee of a Harvard-trained medical practitioner with
42 years of practice under his belt. It comes as no surprise to me that
nature's plan for our immune systems avoids many of the pitfalls
unintentionally created with manmade medical interventions.

"Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more
deadly in the long run," wrote Mark Twain. The hygiene hypothesis forces us
to face an important question never asked by medicine. Namely, "Which is
preferable, expression, or suppression?" This basic question needs to be
asked of every medical intervention, given the knowledge that many standard
medical practices may come with a hefty price tag of chronic health
disorders.

Perhaps the current outbreak of mumps in highly vaccinated adult populations
is an opportunity to ask these kinds of hard questions. It wouldn't be the
first time we needed to bury accepted standards of medical care in the
compost heap of history after their underlying theories crumbled to dust. I
guess everything eventually goes back to the dirt. As the old saying goes,
"Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway." However, I believe that Mark
Twain had the last word about all health opinions that get published,
including those in newspapers: "Be careful about reading health books....
You may die of a misprint."

Dr Darrell Crain
Family Chiropractor
Natural Health Writer
President, CCA San Diego County District
619-445-0100

Viking Dan

I have his book on order(We Want to Live,) but my impression of him from what I've read is that he's insane...or brilliant and I just don't see it yet.

This is a pretty good look at the raw vs. cooked debate.

ReddyMcMeaty

Dan, he's probably both Smile

The recipe for living without disease is the book I've got.. a lot of interesting stuff in there. UNless I'm desperate and on death's doory I don't think I'll be going the feces route... but I've done high meat and much more comfortable and happy with germs around now.

Viking Dan

Please don't tell me he reccomends eating feces...because its too late to cancel my book order. :p

Viking Dan

Ironically the book arrived today. I'm barely 10 pages into it and he's talking about washing your face with your own urine to cure acne.

Oh well. I paid for it. Might as well finish it.

Jaybird

THanks for the links McMeaty, I've been perusing and learning a lot.

Feces route? What does he say about that? Do I want to know?

Umm...wow, urine as an acne treatment. I've read about some people
drinking their own urine for spiritual reasons and for cleansing. Despite the fact that urine is basically sterile I don't believe I will try it for an acne treatment. What is his reasoning for using that instead of something like say raw apple cider vinegar?

Viking Dan

Carolyn

Here's an interesting review of Aajonus and the primal diet.
onibasu.com/archives/nn/56757.html

It's from a yahoo group that I'm on called native nutrition.

Jaybird

Hey Viking Dan, did you finish the book yet?

Carolyn

Here's the link again- a live link, I hope.
http://onibasu.com/archives/nn/56757.html

ReddyMcMeaty

Some of his stuff is too out there for me to try.. (but then several years ago trying rotton meat would have been in the realms of nightmarish fantasy.... and raw meat close behind) but a lot of what he says has merit.

Carolyn

do you think we're meant to eat a 100% raw diet? is this anyone's goal?

ReddyMcMeaty

hmmmm I think idealistically it would be a goal for me, but probably not realistically. And I don't necessarily mean HIS exact raw dietary guidelines.

A lot of it is condiments, some of it is cheese and cream - I can't get that raw (milk I can), and some of it is just that I LIKE certain cooked foods. Can't see myself not eating them forever. eg: scrambled eggs, warm poached eggs and hardboiled eggs. YUM.

For me realistically I could go for varying between 75-90% raw. On the raw food list there are several people who have been eating raw for years and have discovered that they function best eating a percentage of cooked food.

Dean

My goal is to eventually eat at least 50% raw red meat on a daily basis, and the rest cooked meat and a few other things.

I will always want to eat BBQ beef ribs, deviled eggs, rotisserie chicken, roasted turkey or duck, sautéed mushrooms, smoothies with raw egg yolks, coconut milk & oil, etc., etc.... and the list goes on.

Eating raw meat everyday will assure me of getting the necessary nutrients I need. Eating the other stuff will assure me of getting some nutrients and lots of pleasing things so as not to lose interest in a healthy diet. And, socially, I won't be crippled if I can eat things with others.

These are my ultimate goals. They do include eating raw meat. I just need to find a good source of beef. I don't want to go with game meat. I plan on feeding most of my deer and bison to my cats. They don't seem to have a problem with it at all! Laugh

Viking Dan

Carolyn

I just finished reading Aajonus' 2nd book - The recipe for living without disease. I got it from the library. I have not read his first book but those who I've talked to who have read both books say the 2nd one is much better. More practical, with references, and lots of recipes.

Viking Dan, did you just read the 2nd edition of We Want to Live or the 1st edition?

Viking Dan

Its the second edition. I'm very uncertain if I want to go through another one of his books at this point.

Jaybird

Yes, I've also heard the second book is much less new age-y. I haven't read either of them myself.

Carolyn, have you tried some of the recipes? Maybe you can share some of your favorites in the raw food recipe section.

Meg, you have that book to right? Share some more recipes as well Smile

Some dairy free ones would be nice too.

Carolyn

Jaybird,
I didn't try any of the recipes and I've returned the book to the library. Lots of them have some form of dairy in them. Lots of them use a blender which I don't like to use (too much trouble to wash). I really don't use any recipes. I sometimes mix things together and make up my own as I'm eating. Like, lately I've been mixing raw beef fat, red palm oil and raw butter together for a spread/sauce/dip. It makes my butter go further and its a way to eat the raw beef fat. I've mixed raw ground liver with sauerkraut juice and red palm oil - tasted good. I just use what I have on hand as I probably won't buy sauerkraut or palm oil anymore. Maybe then I'll mix the ground liver with a raw egg. Sometimes I mix the ground liver with half ground beef to cut the liver taste.

Viking Dan

If anyone is interested in doing a trade (for some other book) for We Want to Live, let me know.

Otherwise, I suspect its on its way to the landfill.

TidalPool

Re, acne, once I gave up ALL dairy (about 2 weeks ago) amazingly it is gone. Is it all the hormones?

I've also cut down on beef consumption, don't know why but for me it made me tired if I ate mostly beef. I have great energy now! I still eat beef just not every meal, lol! Wink

I've seen recipes, like for salmon ceviche, where you chop up raw meat and "marinade" it in lime juice.

I don't quite understand how this works, and if it is still technically "raw" or is it somehow chemically "cooked?"

Thanks! Jessica

ReddyMcMeaty

I've wondered that too about the chemically cooking thing. Aajonus actually addresses it in his book - how he knows I don't know, but he says that effects on your body are different. Let me look it up and report back when the baby is in bed.

ReddyMcMeaty

or when he's in the bath with dh ;)

"Seafood and Fowl may be marinated in citrus juice. If red meats are marinated in lemon or lime juices or vinegar, often the protein is converted to fuel or solven rather than for regeneration and cellular reproduction. We obtain more than enough fuel from fat. We should preserve our meat-protein for cellular reproduction. One or two tablespoons of lemon or lime juice or vinegar may be mixed with fat 10 minutes prior to mixing with red meats. Some people say that because fish and fowl look and taste heat cooked when marinated that they are cooked. That is not true. Like digestive acids in our bodies, citrus juices partilally break down the components of food for proper digestion but do not mutilate or destroy the nutrients."

TidalPool

Awesome info! Thank you!! Happy

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