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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

I shouldn't be online spank me. But I had to post this- for SimMan and Teknodamage Smile

and all other BBs

Look what I can do

http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/index2.html

He's 52!!! Credit where credit is due I say.

You can spank me now Evil

Best wishes,
Avalon Happy

hard_rainus · Pack Member Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 51

He looks great. It looks like his veg diet works for him. If that type of diet worked for me, I would be doing it too.

adwred · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I noticed he's still definitely lacto-ovo. There's no way you could get a body like that without eggs and dairy.
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jl53563 · Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject:

If I ate a dozen eggs per day, along with a couple of ounces of cheese, a cup of heavy cream and a salad, would I be a lacto-ovo vegetarian? Laugh

Puma · Hunter Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 180

One word, eggs. Laugh

Very first thing on his protein list.

hard_rainus · Pack Member Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 51

Ok, so we can dismiss the guy above because he consumes a fair amount of animal products. What do we say to this? http://veganmusclepower.org/bodybuilding.html

ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

look at the nutrition and physical degeneration book, he's lucky... and his kids will be less lucky, if his descendants further down tried vegan they'd probably be very sick.
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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Meg, you're kidding right. Do you mean the Weston Book?

That's all about people who have left traditional ways of eating. More importantly meaning towards processed refined foods. Just because no people were found in his travels that were Vegan doesn't mean it's not possible. Otherwise, we wouldn't be flying, blending, driving, computing and other unnatural acts.

I own that book. Have read that book. It's not that simple.

Sincerely,
Xeta

p.s. hard_rainus Smile

cool post

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject:

Avalon, when Price was in Africa, there were tribes that ate mainly animal products and tribes that were agriculturalists( ate mostly corn, bananas, etc.). He could compare there health. He saw a marked degeneration in the agriculturalists compared to the robust animal food eaters. The healthiest people that Price studied with the most perfect dental structure and least cavities(Price's specialty) were the Eskimoes on an all meat diet. The message from that book is VERY clear. The more animal products consumed the better.

Stephen

hard_rainus · Pack Member Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 51

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:17 am Post subject:

yeah I've read about Storm and his wife Jinjee. There raising there kids on a raw vegan diet. Jinjee ate a vegan diet at first then a raw vegan diet during her pregnancies. Storm has said that after all these years as a raw vegan that he's having "detox" symtoms. He says it's "old emotions" being detoxed. He's probably developing candida and other bowel degeneration over time. Storm's kids are not developing properly and are stick figures with little muscle mass and bad teeth. Here's Storm's documentary free on google about raising his kids on a raw vegan diet:
http://video.google.com/url?docid...L29H20VqyINNvIW5sp7j856ack5k7cFdA

Carne Vorare · Top Cat Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 363

i've known only 2 hard-core vegans during my lifetime.

they are wonderful people. however, i must here state that their physical capacity falls far short of what *possibly* their genetics wud allow.

first example is 2 sisters. the other one eats meat regularly compared to her sister & despite otherwise poor dietary habits has more radiant complexion, looks 'firmer' *im not kidding* like the wind wont blow her away.

second example is my grandmother. i love the woman but her mind is almost gone. its painful to know u have the answer in ur very hands but am unable to do a thing as a result of her personal beliefs, which need be respected

..and in a world like ours, even exalted at the expense of one's health and well-being.

empirically speaking..find me a large collection of world-class sprinters or weightlifters who are exclusively vegan. im not sure if u will find ANY significant amount.

distance athletes, yes. sprinters, no. high-grade protein is highly conducive to maintaining a healthy amount of lean body mass that meets and exceeds performance standards.

of course, there are those who will do better with less meat..but that is genetic and evryone should keep an open mind in the sense that
one man's meat may indeed be another's poison.

Carne Vorare · Top Cat Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 363

Also, yes a person can live on large amounts of non-animal products but many of these need to undergo lengthy preparation processes.

Price possibly meant food as it occurs in Nature, with minimal preparation.
i am here referring to his study on cats using raw VS. cooked foods.

another interesting conclusion he drew is not as animal products relate to health but rather their effect on the psyche; namely the ability to induce calmness and contentment.

..if u watch alot of National Geographic like me its obvious how apex predators like say, tigers are generally low-key after consuming their prey. if disturbed after a large meal they are more apt to run away than fight.

contrast this with a male elephant whose territory you just wandered into...ANY time of the day

granted, only one example but its necessary to demonstrate Price's findings..in a format i can actually translate.

woof_woof · Carnivore King Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 796

Av you know I like you but your mind is poisoned.
Drop the idea of vegetarianism. The sooner the better.

I know many bodybuilders with shitty diets (fast food, etc) but with proper drug enhancement they look great most of the time. Does it mean fast food diet is optimal for bodybuilding ?

BTW SAD diet (even based on fast foods) is probably better for building muscle mass then vegetarian diet.
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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

I have to apologize. I've been a bit depressed lately. Have to take my kitty to the hospital later today Sad

The thought of losing him totally freaks me out... that and I was drinking and posting last night Roll Eyes

DOHHH!!!

hard_rainus · Pack Member Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Posts: 51

I am sorry to hear about that Avalon; I hope everything works out for you and your cat.

Manaloa · Pack Member Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 61

me too, keep us updated on how you and your kitty are.

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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Good Morning,

Thanx for the Kitty concern Yup

He is

He nearly killed everyone at the clinic though- in the air, slow-mo Matrix spin! You should've seen it Shock

He had a fever and is on Anti-biotics.

Meg I can't find the tag line you spoke of. I don't doubt it's there, but just for the rude boy Individualist, the page says Vegetarian. So your quip about the animal products falls flat. Everyone knows there are degrees to many things and to Vegetarianism. Vegans are animal free, not necessarily Vegetarians.

I'm still impressed. I would love to be more fit. I'm 51 and trying to start running again. Again meaning I used to run every where in New York. Literally Happy

Two years ago, (now in Florida) I hit 194lbs and wasn't even walking! I was eating though- Super Beefy Enchiladas hmmmm!!!

My feelings are that it most certainly is possible to bodybuild as a Vegetarian. I haven't researched this, yet, it seems people are doing it. Maybe it's not all worked out yet. I can't argue that by eating meat, you get all the nutrient work that was done for you. To me it's just another fast food fix. Maybe right, maybe wrong. I don't know. But it's not a closed issue in my book.

And another thing, I'm not a fan of the ripped muscle look as a rule. I mean a little is just fine by me... I was impressed by his 52 year old Body. Veg or not. I hope to get fit and trim myself.

And another thing, seemingly impossible things are done all the time. It's what drives people forward. We hear it can't be done, and then we set about doing it anyway. Damn I need a Pep talk! Can someone get the 'You'll never amount to anything' I heard my Mommy say when I was 6 out of my head please!!!

Best wishes,
Avalon Happy

ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Thank you so much! I can't tell you how I'm still so poisoned by feelings of worthlessness and parental stuff.

Will look into that.

Big Hug

back to you!

meatythang · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:12 am Post subject:

Geez...well you can build muscle eating shit im sure...check this guy
http://www.charliesgym.info/
raw-vegan bodybuilder, but i dont know... i did raw vegan for one month because i thought it would be cool, i couldnt lift after a couple of weeks, i lost 10 lbs that month and i guarantee most was muscle, I personally feel that vegetarians, vegans and especially raw vegans are frying their brains due to lack of amino acids... think about it their are essential fats, and essential amino acids, but ive never heard of an essential carb Laugh

and most minerals and vitamins that are essential can be found in rare-raw meat... and as for Storm and Jinjee i think its child abuse, those kids are going to be so jacked up when they grow up...

Carnation · Top Carnivore Joined: 15 Dec 2007 Posts: 3586

My FIL is a raw vegan, and aside from my non-eating alcoholic mother, is one of the sickest people I know. He used be a very sturdy, strong kind of guy, but has been raw vegan for over 20 years now. The man is 6'1", and weighs 110 lbs! He doesn't see the connection between his diet and the fact that he is constantly bedridden. He actually believes that things would be worse if he ate otherwise. Bonkers

Needless to say that he has a hard time relating to us.

wifezilla · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject:

From the raw food guy's website...

"I think that I have reduced my food intake by at least half "

In order to maintain his weigh and build at 57, he had to HALF his food consumption.
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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Yeah, yeah Roll Eyes

and where do the animals we eat get their aminos? Seaweed, grass, leaves.

I think the problem is more complicated, or is it more simple. Even Vegans and Vegetarians eat crap. I'm impressed by anyone who fights the SAD regime veg or meat. If they fail, then someone who follows may find the answer. We didn't fly right away or, ride a bicycle did we? We had training wheels to learn our balance. Ever ride a unicycle? You'd be lucky if you just get up on it and ride. But once you do, you know.

I'm not convinced that no animal food is a good thing. But there are others, in the forbidden zone named Taylor, who believe otherwise. Some claim as others do that they are healthy and thriving.

Show me a bird and I'll show you a turd Grin

...ehh unless it's constipated, in which case I have no idea where this is going

Bonkers

I'm beginning to believe there is a natural reason for the division of veg and meat eaters. You find it everywhere in nature. Why not in humans.

meatISawesome369 · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:04 am Post subject:

Avalon, I love the way you question everything and don't become too dogmatic. I believe everyone on this forum has been on and continue to be on a journey to find the diet that is best for them. We don't tell anybody else there wrong. We each just impart our wisdom that has worked for us and see if someone else can use it. We're all different and react to different foods in different ways. It's like this message board is made up of the nutritional elite. I LOVE this board! All of you are a wonderful, varied bunch from around the world. It's been an honour to be a part of this.

Stephen

meatythang · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:04 am Post subject:

hey Avalon I don't condone your way of eating, but Im steadfast on idea that humans need animal protein, we've all heard the vegan mantra that horse's and rhinos and other extremely strong herbivores "get there protein via leaves,grass,veggies and shit" but i know for a fact that we dont have a bazillion stomachs nor half the enzymes that these herbivores do that break down the complex plant cellulose and other plant matter to obtain the aminos we need for vitality...(sorry im a science major)....but it all goes back to the way it makes you feel i guess i had a friend who just can't bring herself to eat animal flesh the poor thing, and an ex who literally spit up a meat meal i gave him he'd been like that since 6 years old... so do what feels good, just wanted to clear up the scientific junk

waywardsister · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:

Oh, that Storm guy really gets to me - god, his kids teeth. They're gorgeous kids, but the teeth!

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