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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Good Luck and please keep us posted.

Adwred wrote:

adwred · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject:

No, I mean a high carb diet. There are plenty of unprocessed carbs that contain anti-nutrients and plant chemicals that increase your need for certain micronutrients. The RDAs are based on a high carb diet. Outside of that diet, the RDAs don't have the same meaning. Most accurately, I could have said an 'un-Failsafe high-carb diet'. Yup

But it was a bit off-topic, since this fellow isn't planning on having any non-animal foods.
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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

And I don't agree Wink

adwred · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:

With all due respect, Ava, have you ever looked into the Failsafe diet and what it's all about? Just curious - I'm wondering if after all my prattling on about it if you've ever taken the time to read any of the links? You know that potato link that you were all happy about Nicola posting? It's from Plant Poisons and Rotten Stuff, Emma's Failsafe blog. The science is there to back up what I'm saying. I'm not just making this shit up, you know. Laugh

By the way, before you respond - I think you might already be misinterpreting what I'm talking about. I didn't say a high carb diet is automatically deficient, no matter what you eat. Only that deficiencies are more of a problem on high carb diets. There are plenty of nutritious diets that contain carbs. Mine does. But that is not to say that just because a high carb diet is unrefined that it is complete.
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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Dear Adwred,

I know you're not making this stuff up. And I know about your sensitivities. I also understand Failsafe. But we weren't talking about Failsafe were we? And your line, the one I bolded, is a blanket statement that someone might take incorrectly. Your wording implies deficiencies only occur on high carb diets and that just isn't true. High processed diets, I buy. I get, and I'd stand behind you all the way. Saying some people can't eat high carb diets because of physical reactions, again I'd stand with you.

These are details that someone new, might take as written, and I'm sorry but i have to speak up.

adwred · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:20 am Post subject:

Meat and eggs and fat are all very nutrient-dense and they don't typically have even close to the amount of anti-nutrients that plants do. Plants also contain natural pesticides that increase a person's need for certain co-factors so that they can detoxify those pesticides. That's why I mentioned Failsafe. Because it directly correlates to the subject and further clarifies my statement.

It's not just about having 'sensitivities'. Those toxins have to be removed from the body whether you're sensitive to them or not. They require detoxification and that detox has to happen through certain pathways that require certain micronutrients to function properly.

I'm happy with the statement I made and am not uncomfortable with what it says to a newcomer. Deficiencies aren't historically known to happen on an animal-based diet, provided sufficient fat is eaten. Even scurvy. They are, however, known to happen on plant-based diets, when animal foods are insufficient. Like I said Saruan will have to experiment in order to find that his particular diet is right for him. I'm not an advocate of the muscle-meat-and-fat-only diet. I'm not even an advocate of a ZC diet, anymore, for that matter.

Yes I read the article. I also read it when she originally posted it. I know it was pro-potato. Indeed, that was my point by mentioning it.
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Avalon · Top Carnivore Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 3326

Good Morning Red,

Wow, my problem here is I could go on and on about it, especially after your last post, because there's a big can of worms for me to open if you know what I mean. That is why in my last post I simply wrote-

'I disagree'.

And I'd like to say that I disagree, still. If things change as they often do, I might find myself agreeing with you. But not today.

Best wishes,
Avalon Happy

Look many, trust few, always paddle you're own canoe.