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Dustyboy · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: I am looking at you Red!

O.k. need some help here, I am hearing some crazy things and I need to hear from my food nerds. Every time I mention the word bacon I hear nitrates. I just heard that there are more nitrates in spit than there are in bacon. And even at that, that nitrates are not harmful in the least and are in fact quite natural. I don't want to just be told what I want to hear, I want the cold hard truth. Let me have it.

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ReddyMcMeaty · The Boss Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5776

oh we'll let you have it
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Dustyboy · Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject:

Alright now don' t tease me. One of you red heads have the answer or at least the ability to find me an answer. Don't phone it in, where is the latest data?

O.k. you can tease me a little, especially if you have more pictures.
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adwred · Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject:

No, it's true that there are natural source nitrates in many many foods. Celery is extremely high in natural nitrates - potatoes are relatively high. Even "nitrate-free" bacon isn't nitrate-free - they usually add celery extract to it instead, which is the same bloody thing. Nitrates don't agree with some people, but they're fine for others. My problem with bacon is that most bacon has chemicals added to it (I'd rather eat natural nitrates than synthetic ones) and it's laden with salt and sugar. But the worst is that it's very very high in free glutamates and amines, which I, personally, don't tolerate well. But if you do well with bacon, then have it!

I don't know about eating the same thing day after day after day, especially if there are chemicals added to it, but to each his own. But I'd say bacon is the least of your worries if you're having aspartame daily. Wink

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Dustyboy · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:59 am Post subject:

Alright I am going to start working on my diet Coke "problem". But what do I drink? Water and coffee, coffee and water? It just seems like a lot to bear. What about diet drinks made with Splenda?
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adwred · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject:

I'm totally against artificial sweeteners, personally. Stevia is probably the only one that's mildly OK.

What's wrong with water? Or sparkling water? That's what I drink. Drinks should be there to quench thirst. Get your excitement and enjoyment from food. Weird man-made beverages are one of the biggest sources of crap in the human diet. You'd do yourself a favour to eliminate non-water beverages. If you weren't diabetic, I'd also recommend occasional milk. You could always make your own 'milk' with our egg yolk/melted butter concoctions that are in the recipe section. Under 'egg milk', I believe. They're full of fat and quite nutritious.
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Dustyboy · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject:

Wow that sounds awful. I'm sure its great but, wow. Everything I eat is so salty. I just need something sweet for balance. I will give this some thought. I still eat brisket and bratwurst and all this stuff I know I could do with out but it is hard to part with. I should be eating a diet of fresh meat, eggs and water. I know, that but it is so easy to say and soooooooo hard to do.

Where you ever 100% clean like that Red? Or anyone on here for that matter. Has anyone on here been just absolutely perfect? If so what exactly did you eat how did you feel and what were the results weight wise.
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adwred · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject:

I had terrible results on my 'clean' zero-carb diet. I did meat and water for a month... and Bear's version (with no aspartame) for almost 2 years, with very few slip-ups and occasional bouts of no dairy. I also, in that time, did a month of eggs and water only. Laugh

God, just typing that out makes me feel stupid.

But yeah, I had no energy, was always tired and cranky, gained weight, lost muscle, etc. Now that I'm eating carbs again, I feel a lot better. I don't attribute the bad reaction to the lack of chemicals - I attribute it to not enough carbs. This is just my reaction - I'm not suggesting that this will apply to everyone. But I definitely gave zc a good long try.

Have you ever tried just regular old low-carb, Dusty? Or did you go straight from SAD to ZC? I wonder if you'd have just as good of a result if you included some non-starchy veggies and other lower-carb foods in your diet? Just curious - not suggesting it. Just wondering if it might make you feel a bit less deprived, which would make you crave chemicals less. I know widening my diet really helped me stop self-medicating with chemicals.
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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject:

When I was at my largest (270, wow that is large) I stumbled on to the Adkins diet right before everyone went crazy on it.

I lost a lot of the weight but as it got more popular I was eating low carb chocolate, low carb pancake, low carb cheese cake and every other low carb crap product that came out on the market so naturally I started gaining and gave up on the whole thing and hit the gym real hard gained a lot of muscle and became not just fat but large and fat Shock

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When I found out I had diabetes I use what I had learned about carbs to control it and not one for moderation thought hey some is bad how about zero? So here I am. I am 213 as of this morning.

When I eat veggies I gain. When I do not I lose. What does that mean? I do not know. Bear says that to say "that is fine for you but not for me" is a cop out but I do not think so. This diet works for me, I do not really feel deprived, I really don't.

I will tell you why I am diabetic without a doubt in my mind, Pepsi, I drank more Pepsi than water until I got diabetes. I use to fill a shopping cart with Pepsi, I think I may have cried when they stopped making 3 litter bottles.
The diet drinks just make me feel normal like before I had diabetes ya know. I drink two cans a day right now.

I know it is not the best thing for me and I think now is the time to try and end it. Because I am very near zero carb, I feel like a million bucks,maybe it is time to test my limits again.
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adwred · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

Well, I'm not trying to convince you to eat carbs - you're doing well on your diet and that's great. It was just a strategy to try and give up pop, which ultimately is bad for you. To take away that 'I need something other than just meat and water' feeling. Veggies may be 'the devil' but I sure as hell can't say they're worse than artificial sweeteners... KWIM?
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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject:

KWIM??? I know it is some nasty stuff. Diet Coke is just one of those markers along the way for me. Some can stop everything at once and are fine. I need the baby steps. I am encouraged at my weight loss and it inspires me to keep on doing what I am doing making little changes as I go.

It is amazing that you were that strict and did not have any positive results from it. What was that other thing you were always talking about in the berrys and stuff. Ohhhhhh it started with an S. Silicates? What ever happened with that?
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adwred · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject:

KWIM is an acronym for 'know what I mean?' Some time-saving measure that was!

I'm still sensitive to salicylates, but my tolerance has gone way way up since I got my UVB light. I have no idea why - I think there's a vitamin D connection, or maybe some x factor. I also think I may have thyroid issues that make me more chemical-intolerant, but I'm still not entirely sure about that part. I need to see my doctor again, since I present hypothyroid, clinically, in many ways, but my TSH is 'normal'.
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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject:

You have a very sensitive system don't you? I don't know what half of that means. I am sure if I had the problems you have I would. KWIM? Maybe it has something to do with the Northern Lights or living so close to French people. Or the fact that you are a potato eater who turned her back on her roots (get it roots... because uh well never mind)
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adwred · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject:

Really, I turned my back on my tubers!

But yes, I'm very sensitive. I've tried to buck up and be less so, by forcing myself to do things that previously would make me have all sorts of issues. Generally, that does work. If you're lactose intolerant, you can continue to produce small amounts of enzymes if you continually challenge small amounts of dairy. When you don't have it at all, you lose your enzymes completely.

I have no idea if I'm doing more harm than good by challenging reactive things, but it definitely makes for a more full life (being able to eat and drink certain things that I would otherwise have cut out of my diet completely). But what am I gonna do? Lock myself up in room, eat bugs and save my pee in jars?
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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject:

That which does not kill us only makes us stronger...... unless it kills you slowly over time like rat poison or diet coke. Which category are you in?
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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject:

Hey this is my 700th post!

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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject:

701?

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Dustyboy · Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject:

Your welcome.
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adwred · Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject:

Wow, that's a conversation ender if I've ever seen one.
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Dustyboy · Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject:

Alright back on topic. I took yesterday off of work, why you ask, to begin my war in coke and coffee. I slept and slept and nearly nauseous but did not throw up and slept. My hope is to get off on the right foot, make my way through a day at work today and continue my detox all weekend. It is not easy but neither is being a carnivore. I just stare into my cabinets sometimes and repeat to my self in amazement "I can't eat anything in here".
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Dustyboy · Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject:

I have been putting it off for too long, I have to face the headaches and energy drain at some point. I am well into day two, me and my old friend Advil will make it through. (Please no bad news on the Advil I need it right now.)
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Dustyboy · Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject:

I am so miserable. I want to die. This is all Red's fault. I hope you get a sun burn and turn into one big freckle.
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adwred · Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject:

Dusty, I'm proud of you!! Wow, I never thought you'd go ahead and do it!
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Galeron · Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: