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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: I am having trouble walking |
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I did a tabata style workout this morning.
You do as many of a big exercise (like squats) as you can in 20 seconds, wait 10, then repeat. Do this for 4 minutes. First I thought it wasn't so bad but like I said, I'm having trouble walking!
Anyone want to join me in a challenge? I don't have enough experience with this particular exercise to know how many times I can do this per week...and recovery is going to depend on whether Fynn is teething/growing ;) but it was so fast that I want to do it pretty often.
_________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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Puma Hunter


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Are you supposed to use weights or bodyweight?
I think I'd kill myself if I used lots of weight right now...I work 5x5 and 3x5 usually and wait a fair time between sets for strength and power gains...not really for conditioning like the tabata method does I think? |
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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You're supposed to use light weight, and the workout is supposed to kill you I used my bodyweight and counted my extra lbs as my own "light" weight. It was enough!
http://www.musclewithattitude.com...e/most_recent/the_tabata_method_1
I've read about it coming from a lot of different angles, but it seems like a good thing to do. _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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BlackLabelSimian Meat Devil


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on a pretty much daily bodyweight, sledgehammer and Turkish get up routine atm and doing well, so I ain't gonna fuck with it.
Good luck to ya though! _________________ "Change. Nothin' stays the same. Unchained...And ya hit the ground runnin'."
"In this house of doom ain't no one gets out alive." |
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Kristi31 Top Cat


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Did you say Turkish? My whole family is Turkish...
Sorry for interrupting...hehe _________________ "When you give up your dream, you die" |
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BlackLabelSimian Meat Devil


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Kristi31 wrote: | Did you say Turkish? My whole family is Turkish...
Sorry for interrupting...hehe | That I did. And I guess the Turks can have credit for developing one killer exercise!  _________________ "Change. Nothin' stays the same. Unchained...And ya hit the ground runnin'."
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woof_woof Carnivore King


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Turkish get up is a killer _________________ Sex and violence
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BlackLabelSimian Meat Devil


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| woof_woof wrote: | | I agree Turkish get up is a killer | Ever tried half or quarter get ups? They seem to hit the ab and core area particularly hard. _________________ "Change. Nothin' stays the same. Unchained...And ya hit the ground runnin'."
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackLabelSimian wrote: | | Kristi31 wrote: | Did you say Turkish? My whole family is Turkish...
Sorry for interrupting...hehe | That I did. And I guess the Turks can have credit for developing one killer exercise!  |
I already love them for their music and the turkish fast food we have here. _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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woof_woof Carnivore King


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackLabelSimian wrote: | | Ever tried half or quarter get ups? They seem to hit the ab and core area particularly hard. |
Right I forgot about them.
I don't do that much BW exercises at the moment but I guess I should start again. _________________ Sex and violence
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DaphneDescends Hunter


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: I am having trouble walking |
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | I am having trouble walking. |
I have such a dirty mind. *shakes head at self*
Anyhow, have you ever used kettlebells? Here's a site that includes the turkish get up and they do it with kettlebells.
http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displayarticle.php?aid=132
Looks fun... and difficult! _________________ "Be concentrated and leonine in the hunt for what is your true nourishment. " ~ Rumi |
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:13 am Post subject: Re: I am having trouble walking |
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| DaphneDescends wrote: | | ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | I am having trouble walking. |
I have such a dirty mind. *shakes head at self*
Anyhow, have you ever used kettlebells? |
LOL first thing i thought of, "omigod, Reddy's got sum health prob!"
years ago, this might have actually popped in mind.
just shows im gettin' old..
kettlebells rule. course, once / IF i can ever use em' again..
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woof_woof Carnivore King


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: I am having trouble walking |
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| DaphneDescends wrote: |
I have such a dirty mind. *shakes head at self* |
Good to know I was not the only one
If you want to know how to workout with KB you may check this book:
From Russia with Tough Love
Pavel's Kettlebell Workout for a Femme Fatale
By Pavel Tsatsouline _________________ Sex and violence
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BlackLabelSimian Meat Devil


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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KBs are way too friggen expensive, IMHO.
I wouldn't mind having some, but I really have trouble justifying the price when a DB will work just as well the majority of the time. _________________ "Change. Nothin' stays the same. Unchained...And ya hit the ground runnin'."
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woof_woof Carnivore King


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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True, for home use DBs can substitute KBs in most exercises. _________________ Sex and violence
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BlackLabelSimian Meat Devil


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention that it's a bit easier to adjust the weight if need be if you have an adjustable set.
And hell, even fixed DBs aren't as crazy as KBs.
Oh, well...More power to Pavel, Mahler and the like. They've made a killing off the KB fad/boom. Hell, they created it. lol _________________ "Change. Nothin' stays the same. Unchained...And ya hit the ground runnin'."
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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well...after the accident im not touching a barbell again, so the cost aint so bad.
'sides, i'll be lucky to even use the "girly weights" rite now  |
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've only used dumbells.. couldn't get my head around the cost of kettlebells, since they're not my main form of exercise.
I'm not doing the exercises right now. I liked the swing a lot, but am trying to avoid hitting my adducter magnus very hard for a while. It's big enough. _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| whats an adducter magnus???? |
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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adductOR..oops.
My legs are really long so I have to use a wide stance, and that particular muscle really kicks in and takes over when doing things like squats, deads, swings.... It's great for being very fast, but not so great when you don't want to wear out the insides of your pants. _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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nice picture
*really need to get sum virtual date before i go stark-crazy*
i thought swings werent supposed to increase the size of the thighs??
@ least dats what Pavel said in his book..dont plan to increase mine, either!
u do em one-handed or two? |
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BlackLabelSimian Meat Devil


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | *really need to get sum virtual date before i go stark-crazy* | What do you mean "before"?
 _________________ "Change. Nothin' stays the same. Unchained...And ya hit the ground runnin'."
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Johnny Ace Flesh Eater

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: Re: I am having trouble walking |
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | Anyone want to join me in a challenge? I don't have enough experience with this particular exercise to know how many times I can do this per week...and recovery is going to depend on whether Fynn is teething/growing ;) but it was so fast that I want to do it pretty often. |
From the original article that made Tabata famous:
A second group followed a high-intensity interval program. Seven students, also young and physically active, exercised five days per week using a training program similar to the Japanese speed skaters. After a 10-minute warm-up, the subjects did seven to eight sets of 20 seconds at 170% of V02max, with a 10 second rest between each bout. Pedaling speed was 90-rpm and sets were terminated when rpms dropped below 85. When subjects could complete more than 9 sets, exercise intensity was increased by 11 watts. The training protocol was altered one day per week. On that day, the students exercised for 30 minutes at 70% of V02max before doing 4 sets of 20 second intervals at 170% of V02max. This latter session was not continued to exhaustion. Again, V02max and anaerobic capacity was determined before, during and after the training.
"Forget the Fat-Burn Zone", Clarence Bass.
However, when Bass added them to his own fitness regime, he did one Tabata work-out a week, and most other days he went for a 2-3 mile walk. Since his bodyfat was about 5% while he was doing it, I think he was onto something. _________________ "One became great by expecting the possible, another by expecting the eternal; but he who expected the impossible became the greatest of all." Søren Kierkegaard |
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| BlackLabelSimian wrote: | | Quote: | | *really need to get sum virtual date before i go stark-crazy* | What do you mean "before"?
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HAHA
yes, i havent been myself lately. but since dats me, tis an improvement, i wager. |
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: |
..have to use a wide stance, and that particular muscle really kicks in and takes over when doing things like squats, deads, swings.... It's great for being very fast, but not so great when you don't want to wear out the insides of your pants. |
on a serious note, could the hypertrophy be attributed to squats / deadlifts?
cuz, i was banking on swings to get back in shape once *one day* when im out of bed..
i dont have big thighs, but dont plan on getting ones that can actually get attention  |
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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It's my biomechanics. I have a very short torso , my arms are not overly long, and I'm 5 10" so that leaves about 36 inches of leg that has to fold itself when I'm doing squats. When I was doing that training it was with a very wide stance and that muscle just really kicked in. Swings did not make up the bulk of my exercise, AT ALL. Don't worry about them making your legs big. I did mostly sumo deadlifts, wide stance squats, walking lunges and lunges and lunges and more lunges and sprints on stairs. Proportionately speaking, my legs were not "big" but that muscle developed more than say, lower quads, and I want to address the aesthetic imbalance now, which means trying to prevent that muscle taking work away from the quads.
Again, don't worry about swings making your legs big. You won't want attention getting thighs? It is such a pleasure to walk around here and look at the shapely thighs and asses of men! I don't think men realize how much of an impact a well shaped lower body can have, especially with some well cut, well fitting pants to show it off. (yay for Euro men wearing tighter pants) Those saggy baggy jeans are an abomination. _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: I am having trouble walking |
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[quote="Johnny Ace"] | ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | Seven students, also young and physically active, exercised five days per week |
OMG. 5 days per week. Ahh I see the young and physically active part now Actually I'd love to work up to the 4 minute workout being a daily conditioning thing, instead of something that kills me. Ok that's the goal. _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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Johnny Ace Flesh Eater

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: I am having trouble walking |
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | Johnny Ace wrote: | | Seven students, also young and physically active, exercised five days per week |
OMG. 5 days per week. Ahh I see the young and physically active part now :lol: Actually I'd love to work up to the 4 minute workout being a daily conditioning thing, instead of something that kills me. Ok that's the goal. |
I don't think that's really necessary or healthy. Training too hard can cause problems just as much as training too easily. Doing something every day is fine, but running against the limits of your nervous system daily leads to overtraining and muscle deterioration. _________________ "One became great by expecting the possible, another by expecting the eternal; but he who expected the impossible became the greatest of all." Søren Kierkegaard |
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ReddyMcMeaty The Boss

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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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If a stressor is not something that places undue stress on your body, it's not necessarily unhealthy. If someone sedentary goes out and tries to do some sprints and throw a frisbee around they're likely to get hurt. If someone conditioned to the activity does the same thing, even daily.. that isn't considered an unhealthy amount of activity, it's simply physical maintenance. I think training daily with heavy weights to failure is a sure way to get hurt, but an intense 4 minute bodyweight workout is a nice maintenance activity. As it is there were 5 days between the first and 2nd time I did this, hopefully I can decrease it for the 3rd and 4th! _________________ "Man lives on one quarter of what he eats. On the other three quarters lives his doctor." |
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Carne Vorare Top Cat

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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| ReddyMcMeaty wrote: | | Swings did not make up the bulk of my exercise, AT ALL. Don't worry about them making your legs big. I did mostly sumo deadlifts, wide stance squats, walking lunges and lunges and lunges and more lunges and sprints on stairs. Proportionately speaking, my legs were not "big" but that muscle developed more than say, lower quads, and I want to address the aesthetic imbalance now, which means trying to prevent that muscle taking work away from the quads. |
thank god! LOL
i was worried the kettlebell wud become a one-exercise piece of equipment..
yea, avoided squats like the plague even prior to my injury. theyre supposed to add size to the lower half of the body..again, depends on one's goals
hamstrings r useful for sprinting and running middle distances, along with shock-absorption..so those do need strengthening for my purposes
used to do plenty of lunges in my late teens..stopped doing them after picking up the barbell. never used enough weight to increase the size of my upper legs noticeably, tho.
but i wasnt as PLUMPY az i am now
*hey! i got a new middle name*
swings will stay. technically, they will be 'tried' since before my accident they were only starting to become part of the routine..was in the process of working sum kinks out a fortnight prior to the "break".
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